Posted on 07/29/2005 5:41:10 AM PDT by conservativecorner
I am fed up with the ceaseless requests by columnists, religious personalities and other American public figures for Arabs and Muslims to apologize for terrorist acts committed by thugs and murderers in the name of Islam.
As far as I am concerned, the final straw came a couple of weeks ago when the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, paid for a national advertisement repudiating terrorism in the name of Islam.
As soon as the advertisement was broadcast on America's media, I read a column by one of the nation's most ardent Islam-phobic columnists, Cal Thomas, now also a FOX News personality, which plowed into CAIR's reconciliation efforts. Long before 9-11, Thomas' writings were full of venom for Arabs and Muslims. He represents a despicable and ignorant attitude that, unfortunately, a sizable segment of America has come to share. There is nothing American Muslims can do to satisfy this group short of packing up and leaving the United States.
I disagree with what CAIR did, and I also disagree with this groveling and begging for forgiveness, as though American Arabs and Muslims are responsible for those atrocities. CAIR knows better, and those running it know that Islam rejects all acts of violence outside self-defense. Arab and Muslim Americans are responsible for neither the twin towers nor the London subway bombings, and as Americans they should never accept responsibility for actions they did not instigate, commit or condone.
Furthermore, in spite of the fact they are constantly condemned for one thing or another, they like other Americans are victims of these murderers. Does anyone think they are pleased to have their movements and telephone conversations monitored or that coercive and freedom-depriving laws are tailored for them? Does anyone in his or her right mind really believe that being an Arab American or a Muslim is pleasant in America today?
The United States has lost 3,000 souls to terrorist thugs, but that figure is miniscule compared to the 60,000 Algerians or the 25,000 Iraqis who also have died at their hands. These thugs don't differentiate between Muslim and non-Muslim, Arab and non-Arab when they plant a bomb or enter a village at night and murder everyone.
It is rejection of U.S. and British policies in the Middle East, not Islam, that has promoted terrorism against America. And for the benefits of those who do not know, 95 percent of Middle Easterners are Muslims. Hence, it is only natural that those opposing the United States and Britain in the region would be Muslims. In India, they would have been Hindu; in Latin America or Northern Ireland, they would have been Catholic.
More important, it was the British and the United States that drew first blood. The Middle East didn't come to America or go to Britain; rather, America and Britain went to the Middle East. Both powers used and abused regimes, toppling some and keeping others in power. They never thought that the people they were helping suppress were human beings with needs, beliefs and emotions. They didn't care as long as their interests were served.
America's experience in the Middle East is no different from its Southeast Asia stint, and look at the mess it left in that region.
However, while the calamity of Vietnam, Laos and Kampuchea might be rationalized by the Cold War or even a domino theory, there is nothing to rationalize the invasion of Iraq except ideological stupidity. The United States illegally invaded and decimated a country that did not threaten its security and, in the process, unleashed one of the most vile and ruthless insurgencies the region has ever seen. And as it did in Vietnam, when the going got tough, it is planning to pull out. The result will be a protracted instability and turmoil that no country in the region can escape.
Future turmoil in the region is exactly what the instigators of the Iraq invasion have planned all along. They had made their desire for strife in the Middle East known long before the invasion of Iraq. Yet they underestimated the consequences of their lunacy and set into motion processes and events that will make the United States less secure and threaten the lives of Americans for many years to come.
Nazi Party members/apologists weren't too popular here during WWII, either.
Just like Nazi Pary membership, Islamic beliefs are incompatible with being a resident of the Republic of the United States of America. If you want to live here in peace, renounce them. Otherwise, go home.
Mansour's bio, as it appears on the San Antonio Express-News web site:
"Mansour El-Kikhia
Dr. Mansour El-Kikhia is an associate professor of political science at the University of Texas at San Antonio, where his specialty is Middle Eastern politics and international relations. A native of Libya, he received his undergraduate degree in political science from the American University of Beirut. After coming to the United States, he received his master of arts and Ph.D. in international relations from the University of California at Santa Barbara. Before coming to UTSA in 1989, he taught at the University of California at Riverside and the University of Arizona. The author of two books, he is working on a third."
This clown is on the public teat!
You said it Mansour, not me. Oh and also... Cal Thomas is far from a racist towards Muslims. Apparently, one can't be critical of Muslims without: a) drawing the ayre from groups like CAIR or b) getting your head cut off.
How do we ever trust them if they are instructed by their faith to lie to infidels?
There is no basis for trust.
Interesting quote.
In Islam, a polytheist is one that accepts the existance of multiple "Gods".
Soooo, this means that we westerners, that may be of the Christian persuasion, that accept the existance of Islam, are marked for annihilation.
Think about it.
Semper Reflective
The above from the University of the Incarnate Word - Islamic Conference 2002.
Dr. Mansour El-Kikhia, Associate Professor of Political Science at UTSA, has particular interest in international relations and comparative politics. His current research includes Islamic fundamentalism in North Africa and Central Asia and economic issues in the Middle East. He has been a weekly commentator on Voice of America on Middle Eastern issues. He serves as faculty advisor for the UTSA Muslim Student Organization and the Model United Nations Organization. El-Kikhia was the keynote speaker at the Arab Organization for Human Rights Conference on human rights in the Arab World sponsored by the United Nations in 1999. He has been a resident of seven countries.
Silencing Scholars a sign of intolerance
Obviously, his sympathies lie with Ward Churchill.
[excerpt]:
I am amazed at those who find it so easy to label people with different viewpoints as anti-American. A large number of Americans oppose President Bush's Middle East policy, and a substantial number loathe much of what he says or does. Is opposing wars predicated on dogma, lies and miserable decisions that needlessly consume American lives and wealth "anti-American"? I think not.
My astonishment is even greater when it comes to Israel. For goodness sake, most of the world recognizes the atrocities the Israeli state commits against the Palestinians.
Such Israeli policies need to be criticized and sanctioned by the U.S. government, not encouraged and rewarded. But for that to happen, a just U.S. government is needed, one that is brave enough to stand for what is right in all instances and not pick and choose, standing for what is right only when it serves its interest.
Criticism of Israeli policies is a far cry from anti-Semitism, and those who equate the two do a disservice to Israel and America. It has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with civilized behavior and justice for an unjustly occupied people.
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It is just too much FUN to have slaves in your house.
And as Sir Winston Churchill said, SLAVERY in the world will never end until this Islamic practice is abolished.
Sir Winston, taken from "The River War", VOL II, first edition,pgs. 248-250.
The man, Sir Winston's comments on Islam, check out the underlined sentence !:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
Sir Winston the great does not mince words when it comes to the Muslim faith, he saw the work of extremist Muslims up close in Africa.
It is just too much FUN to have slaves in your house.
And as Sir Winston Churchill said, SLAVERY in the world will never end until this Islamic practice is abolished.
Sir Winston, taken from "The River War", VOL II, first edition,pgs. 248-250.
The man, Sir Winston's comments on Islam, check out the underlined sentence !:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
Sir Winston the great does not mince words when it comes to the Muslim faith, he saw the work of extremist Muslims up close in Africa.
"There is nothing American Muslims can do to satisfy this group short of packing up and leaving the United States. "
Atleast he got this part right!
"There is nothing American Muslims can do to satisfy this group short of packing up and leaving the United States."
s/b
"There is nothing Muslims can do to satisfy non-Muslims short of packing up and leaving the United States, unless it would be to repudiate the monstrous, mass-murdering death cult that is, always has been, and always will be Islam, until such time as Islam is obliterated from the face of the Earth."
Republic,
I used your Churchill quote in my e-mail to Mr. Kikhia. I used it in the context that Islam has never had a reformation of their religion. It was an excellent example of how Islam has yet to change some of it's practices-
Mr. Kikhia,
I read your column today and I keep coming back to a thought about Islam as a religion. There has been no "reformation" of your faith to adapt to modern society. Islam is still rooted in the 7th century. Islam came to prominence by the sword and tolerates nothing but the total subjugation to Allah. Passages in the Koran state that it is acceptable to kill the infidel where you find him and the practice of taquiya, or being told by your faith that it is perfectly acceptable to lie to the infidel. If this is the case then why should we believe anything the Muslims have to say? You blame the US for all of the suffering that Muslims have felt but, as is par for the course, never look at your own religion in the mirror to see it's faults. As long as people of your faith read these passages in the Koran and interpret them as if they were written in stone your people and culture will be forever stuck in the stone age, passed up by the march of time and the advance of modern society.
I read a quote by Winston Churchill from his book The River War that said, " How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
Until Muslims renounce the spread of the religion by the sword and learn to accept other faiths you will be as T.E. Lawrence said you will be a "little people, greedy, barbarous, and cruel". I don't believe that all Arabs and Muslims should have to apologize for every deed done by every Muslim and Arab but what they should apologize for is not having the strength or courage to challenge the passages in the Koran and societal practices that are obviously and blatantly out of date, open to radical interpretation, and plain and simple...wrong!
Thanks for your time and have a nice day!
>> There is nothing American Muslims can do to satisfy this group short of packing up and leaving the United States. <<
Agree. Git!
And I loved your last paragraph. It just simply tells it as it is, may I use your words in future posts?
Sure thing.
Can of intellectual whoop ass opened up on Mr. Mansour El-Kikhia BUMP!!
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