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New "key" mandatory in Windows for updates
The Seattle Times ^ | July 26, 2005 | Brier Dudley

Posted on 07/27/2005 1:22:51 AM PDT by kingattax

Get ready to register with Microsoft if you want to update your Windows operating system.

In a shift toward greater monitoring of personal computer systems and potentially less copying of software, Microsoft will require users to let the company place a software "key" on their systems if they want the free, regular system updates it provides.

Privacy advocates are concerned, but Microsoft said the system is anonymous and won't be used for anything other than verifying the operating systems' authenticity.

Called "Windows Genuine Advantage," the system is designed to limit the spread of copied software, a widespread practice that has grated on co-founder Bill Gates since the earliest days of personal computing.

Today, Microsoft claims to lose billions in sales to counterfeiting and works with police to aggressively pursue bootleggers.

Since it began testing the system last September, more than 40 million users have voluntarily registered.

Starting today, registration is mandatory for anyone seeking updates, such as the updated versions of its media player or graphics program, glitch fixes and other features the company may issue 10 or more times a year. It works with Windows XP and 2000.

Older systems don't require validation for updates.

Security updates are not part of the system. They can still be downloaded free without the validation process.

The system works by identifying unique characteristics of a system and implanting a software key that can be read by Microsoft when updates are requested. The only way to remove the key is to reformat the hard drive, said David Lazar, director of Genuine Windows.

The key won't be used to identify individual users, only individual systems, he said.

"I would go back to our privacy policy, which says we have no knowledge of the identity of the users, so a user shouldn't be concerned about the use of that key," he said.

But privacy advocates aren't sure. Chris Hoofnagle, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center's San Francisco office, is waiting for a technical analysis to gauge the system's invasiveness.

"It's a march onto trusted computing, where basically the user is not trusted anymore."

Hoofnagle is concerned Microsoft may share its user database with the government, or limit usage somehow.

The system is also part of a broader effort to add copy-protection technologies to more media and devices, he said.

"The ultimate goal of companies like Microsoft is to have it in the personal computer, so the operating system can effect a high level of control over the user, including things like being able to enforce policies against forwarding e-mail," he said.

To make the program more palatable, registering customers will receive discounts for other software products and services, as well as a free downloadable photo-editing program, screensaver, card game and video tutorials.

The system isn't foolproof, however. A researcher in Bangalore, India, cracked it last month, developing a way to generate keys for illegal copies of Windows, according to Indian news site Rediff.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: activex; cary; convictedmonopoly; updates; userfriendly; windows
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1 posted on 07/27/2005 1:22:52 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ShadowAce

Unnngh.

2 posted on 07/27/2005 1:28:04 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: kingattax

Competition really would be good for Microsoft...


3 posted on 07/27/2005 1:32:21 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: martin_fierro

Ugh....is right!


4 posted on 07/27/2005 1:38:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: DB

Another happy Microsoft customer

5 posted on 07/27/2005 1:43:58 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Could they make this any more of a pain in the ass? Gates is sadistic.


6 posted on 07/27/2005 1:51:05 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats are motivated mainly and perhaps almost wholly by envy.)
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To: Jaysun; kingattax; All
Could they make this any more of a pain in the ass?

They seem bound and determined to force me to teach myself Linux...

All I want in an OS is for it to do what I need it to do with the least hassle possible- each added annoyance and impediment, like this damfool idea, is one more reason to ditch Microsoft. I mean, the basic question is this- you pay them for their bloody product, so do you actually own it, or are you just leasing it in perpetuity? Do they have claim on your first born as well?

Been a user since DOS 3.1, but if they keep this stuff up... well, I've got Mandrake burned on three disks, and copies of Ubuntu sitting on the table next to me...

7 posted on 07/27/2005 2:18:13 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: kingattax
this the same key some guy in india already cracked and distributed?
Microsoft: reaping the benefits of outsourcing tech to 3rd world countries with a culture of intellectual property piracy.
8 posted on 07/27/2005 2:18:33 AM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: kingattax

I'm kinda okay with this. If you pay for the OS, you get the service. Just like any other vendor in the world.


9 posted on 07/27/2005 2:20:04 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: backhoe

OS X

Linux if you're a masochist, which I am sometimes.


10 posted on 07/27/2005 2:22:54 AM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: backhoe
They seem bound and determined to force me to teach myself Linux...

My thoughts exactly. I wonder what flavor of Linux is best for me.

11 posted on 07/27/2005 2:24:24 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: backhoe
Been a user since DOS 3.1, but if they keep this stuff up... well, I've got Mandrake burned on three disks, and copies of Ubuntu sitting on the table next to me...

Woo hoo, that's Chinese to me friend. I couldn't ditch Microsoft if my life depended on it, I'm too ignorant of anything else. I'm a slave to the whims of the evil one, the Antichrist, one Bill Gates, Esquire.
12 posted on 07/27/2005 2:24:59 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats are motivated mainly and perhaps almost wholly by envy.)
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To: Lazamataz
The system works by identifying unique characteristics of a system

Hack around too much with your peripherals and Gates-o-matic will call you a phony.

13 posted on 07/27/2005 2:26:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: backhoe
"I mean, the basic question is this- you pay them for their bloody product, so do you actually own it, or are you just leasing it in perpetuity?"

You're just leasing it in perpetuity.
14 posted on 07/27/2005 2:31:46 AM PDT by fsorbello (Allow myself to introduce myself.)
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To: kingattax

The fact is, most users get pretty much what they need from their machine.

So selling software upgrades does not meet a need as much anymore, and the alternative is maintenance fees.

By subscription.


15 posted on 07/27/2005 2:41:11 AM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: backhoe
Been a user since DOS 3.1

A late-commer, huh. I jumped in around Dos 1.1, IIRC.

I downloaded the FREE Knoppix. It is a version of Linux that runs from a single bootable CD (now, DVD). I've run it some. It has some nice features, takes some getting used to. It is a windowing type environment, so it isn't that strange of an animal. The directory structure and file extension names/file types are the most confusing to me. I haven't really found a 'learn Linux' documentation (and haven't taken the time to look).

When I run Knoppix, it finds my cable modem, etc., so I can go direct to the Internet. I have a pctv card which it doesn't seem to recognize, although it has some kind of pctv program. I would lose some programs I like by switching, as Linux doesn't have a universal emulator, and dang, I don't want to give up those games uhhhh applications.

All-in-all, if push comes to shove and MS keeps raising the cost of their glut-ware Windows, Linux could easily do to Windows what Firefox is doing to the IE browser.
16 posted on 07/27/2005 2:46:13 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: kingattax
Just started reading my morning newsgroups, and one of the first articles I saw was this:

Windows Genuine Advantage cracked?

Discovered 2 workarounds so far.

1) In IE, go to "Tools," "Manage Add-ons..." Click "Windows Genuine Advantage" and click "disable." lol I wonder how long that one will last. :)

2) Search the net or usenet for "mskey4in1" For the ID range, enter "999-999999" for both "from" and "to". Hit Generate, then use a XP Key Changer to change your key. Seems to work good so far for a lot of peeps, still not sure how long it will last.


Seems it didn't take long for those dang kids to crack the code. Dang kids! lol
17 posted on 07/27/2005 2:51:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
All-in-all, if push comes to shove and MS keeps raising the cost of their glut-ware Windows, Linux could easily do to Windows what Firefox is doing to the IE browser.

I absolutely agree- there is a level of pricing, and annoyance, that simply becomes too much to tolerate.

18 posted on 07/27/2005 3:31:21 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: TomGuy

Heck, MS paid a small software shop for the original version of DOS. This company (SPC) stole the operating system code form CP/M and modified it slightly and called it their own. Don't worry they paid for theft, Microsoft eventually negotiated a deal to buy the copycat DOS, no royalties or licensing fees, for $50,000.

I read Microsoft has paid over two billion dollars in anti-trust settlements for code and technology they have stolen. Yet, they are concern you might upgrade your PC with a newer version of Windows operating that works!!! Most of the upgrades are to fix extreme shortcomings in their operating system.


19 posted on 07/27/2005 3:37:29 AM PDT by BushCountry (They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong.)
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To: kingattax

I don't mind paying Microsoft a reasonable amount for a reasonable product, but I can't imagine this not being an annoyance that would cause me to consider upgrading to Linux.


20 posted on 07/27/2005 4:13:29 AM PDT by The Duke (You want fries with that?)
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