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Boy Scouts 'All Started Screaming'
wyway via drudge ^ | 07.26.05 | LARRY O'DELL , JEANNETTE J. LEE

Posted on 07/26/2005 9:43:37 PM PDT by Coleus

Boy Scouts 'All Started Screaming'

Jul 26, 9:28 PM (ET)

By LARRY O'DELL and JEANNETTE J. LEE

(AP) A day following the deaths of four Boy Scout leaders at the National Jamboree, Boy Scouts line up...
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BOWLING GREEN, Va. (AP) - They were deeply devoted to the Boy Scouts, traveling thousands of miles to the woods of northern Virginia for 10 fun-filled days of fishing, archery and storytelling beside the campfire. One of their first tasks: Set up a large tent.

But the task went terribly awry when they lost control of a giant tent pole and it hit some nearby power lines, killing four Scout leaders as horrified youngsters looked on, said Bill Haines, a Scout executive in Alaska.

Karl Holfeld said his 15-year-old son Taylor, witnessed the accident and was on his cell phone to his mother back home in Alaska when the electrocutions occurred.

The boys "all started screaming," Holfeld told the Anchorage Daily News. "He said, 'Oh my God, oh my God, the tent is on fire, they're being burned!'"

 

(AP) Task Force Public Affairs officer, Maj. Vince Mitchell, speaks to members of the media during a...
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The Scouts spent Tuesday reviewing safety procedures and mourning the deaths of the four men, but said the event would begin Wednesday as planned, with an evening speech by President Bush. A memorial service will be held during the opening ceremony of the Jamboree, which draws more than 40,000 Scouting enthusiasts from around the world.

Scout adviser David Tracewell, 54, of Kansas City, said that the mood "became very somber" as word of the tragedy spread around Fort A.P. Hill - a sprawling Army base about an hour south of Washington.

"These scout leaders ... get to know these kids very well," he said. "I'm sure these kids are devastated. They're their mentors, their leaders that become like their second dads."

The dead were identified as Michael J. Shibe, 49, Mike Lacroix, 42, and Ronald H. Bitzer, 58, all of Anchorage; and Scott Edward Powell, 57, of Perrysville, Ohio. Shibe had two sons at the Jamboree and Lacroix had one; the three children all returned home to Alaska.

Three other adults suffered minor injuries.

 

(AP) A day following the deaths of four Boy Scout leaders at the National Jamboree, a group of Boy...
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The event was closed to visitors Tuesday. Boy Scouts spokesman Gregg Shields gave few details about the accident and was unable to say how long the investigation might take. Army officials are assisting.

"Our hearts go out to the families of these dedicated Scout leaders who gave so much to their sons, their troops and their communities," Shields told reporters, his voice choked with emotion.

Scout Kenny Suggs, 17, of Baltimore said he did not hear about the accident until Tuesday morning when the scoutmaster told the troop what happened.

"It was pretty frightening," Suggs said.

The victims came from many different professions, but they had one thing in common: They were all avid Scout leaders.

 

(AP) A day following the deaths of four Boy Scout leaders at the National Jamboree, a group of Boy...
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This was Shibe's third national Jamboree and his four sons were all Boy Scouts, according to Meg Stapleton, who is assisting the family. The two oldest, Brent and Neal, are Eagle Scouts whom Shibe had taken to a previous Jamboree.

Powell retired to Ohio about a year ago after living for 30 years in Alaska, where he ran a Scout camp. He accepted an invitation to the Jamboree - the last slot for an adult - when he was back in Anchorage this month for the camp's 50th anniversary, said his sister, Anne Rentfrow.

Powell taught scores of boys how to rappel, how to safely use knives and axes and how to find their way through the thick Alaskan forests using a compass. He also had a penchant for storytelling that came in handy in the glow of the campfire.

"He was the quintessential 'Boy,'" said Wayne Starr, a district commissioner for the Boy Scouts in Alaska.

Bitzer is a retired attorney who worked in scouting for years and gave up his law practice to work with the organization, Starr said.

 

(AP) Boy Scout spokesman Gregg Shields speaks during a news conference at Fort A.P Hill in Bowling...
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"Scouting was what he loved. He spent many, many, many hours working with Scouting," said troop scoutmaster Ken Schoolcraft. "It was a way for him to help others."

Shields said he knew of no Scouts other than the victims' sons leaving the Jamboree.

Anna Mazi of Fort Meade, Md., whose 12-year-old son, Brian, is attending his first Jamboree, said she had no fears for her child's safety.

"I trust the judgment of the leaders who are there with them," she said. "I still have confidence in the Boy Scouts and the training they go through."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush would stick to the focus of his original speech on service and choices - while touching on the tragedy.

 

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"These parents were there doing their part to help their children have a better understanding of service and leadership and making the right choices in life."

But, McClellan added: "Those parents would want the Boy Scouts to continue forward in their important work."

The Jamboree, held every four years since 1937, runs through Aug. 3. Scouts ages 12-18 are to spend 10 days camping in tents and doing activities that include archery, fishing and a GPS-based scavenger hunt.

There are about 400 electrocutions each year in the U.S., and about a quarter of them are related to power lines, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.---

Associated Press Writer Larry O'Dell contributed to this story from Bowling Green; Jeannette J. Lee contributed to this story from Anchorage.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; fortaphill; jamboree
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1 posted on 07/26/2005 9:43:41 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

A real tragedy...


2 posted on 07/26/2005 9:46:10 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: Coleus

a big ol' eagle scout bump.
what a tragedy. prayers for all.
ronnie t.


3 posted on 07/26/2005 9:47:46 PM PDT by 537cant be wrong (vampires stole my lunch money but left me with my bus pass. damn!)
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To: Coleus
I don't mean to sound insensitive or uncaring. I think the deaths of those men is a tragedy. Nevertheless, there is one fatal flaw in the actions of those Scout Leaders. They did a very poor risk assessment in the setting up of this tent. Using tall metal poles in the vicinity of high power lines is not the brightest thing to do. Again, I do apologize if my opinion offends, but let's hope others learn from this mistake.
4 posted on 07/26/2005 9:59:16 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Coleus
There are about 400 electrocutions each year in the U.S., and about a quarter of them are related to power lines.

Several TV stations have lost their news trucks (burned up) when the operator raised the truck's microwave antenna into an overhead power line. Anyone that works under or near power lines should have safety training.

5 posted on 07/26/2005 9:59:58 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: Coleus

A terrible tragedy
With all of the base closings on the table why doesn't the Govt donate some of those unused facilities to the Scouts in areas where a better camp or a new camp is needed? Just a thought


6 posted on 07/26/2005 10:00:21 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Coleus
A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, thrifty, obedient, cheerful, brave, clean and reverent. It applies to the adults as well as the boys. I know. Much of my successes in life, I owe to a dedicated Scoutmaster, Dr. Carl A. Zapfee.

I thought of him when I read this story originally. I thanked Dr. Zapfee's widow, Denise, for "sharing him with us" at his funeral. And I stood at attention with the Scout salute, as he passed by the last time, in his casket.

"A man never stands so tall, as when he stoops to help a boy."

Congressman Billybob

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7 posted on 07/26/2005 10:00:47 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush's SECOND appointment obey the Constitution? I give 95-5 odds on yes.)
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To: Coleus

This is just heartbreaking. Prayers for all affected.


8 posted on 07/26/2005 10:04:46 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (fiat voluntas Tua)
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To: Coleus

Prayers for their families, and for all the boys.


9 posted on 07/26/2005 10:05:22 PM PDT by Egon (By the way, I took the liberty of fertilizing your caviar.)
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To: phoenix0468

These people are volunteers. They more often than not hold down full time jobs and make time for the kids on top of that.

While your comments are probably accurate, people do stupid things. I'm not sure assessing blame is necessary here.

I was very sorry to hear about this and wish nothing but the best for the grieving families and scouts.


10 posted on 07/26/2005 10:06:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: phoenix0468
you have to realize they were in new territory probably using new equipment. Most campgrounds don't usually have wires like that nearby so it wouldn't have been on their minds. A "jamboree troop" is not your normal troop, you have a scoutmaster from a troop picked by the council to represent a "jambo troop" and most of the boys come from within the local Scout Council.

Even though they went on one or two practice trips in Alaska, being in VA with kids you don't really know, the stress and the excitement of it all, the leaders are not the same. I could see how an accident like this happened. I'm wondering how high the lines were.

11 posted on 07/26/2005 10:07:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

When I was in scouts, I recall the tent poles being either wooden or aluminum. Was this tent post steel?


12 posted on 07/26/2005 10:12:37 PM PDT by eagle11
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To: Coleus
"I trust the judgment of the leaders who are there with them," she said.

Sorry for this tragedy, but I would not entrust my kids to 4 adults who play with long metal pole around power lines, this is an ultimate stupidity, total ignorance, poor jugement, and childish carelesness.

Fortunately no kids were hurt.

13 posted on 07/26/2005 10:22:33 PM PDT by Anticommie
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To: DoughtyOne; phoenix0468
........ people do stupid things. I'm not sure assessing blame is necessary here.

Well, actually, as is the case in military after-action analysis, assessing screw ups can save lives in the future.

As my namesake wrote 21 centuries ago:

".........there are two ways by which all men may reform themselves, either by learning from their own errors or from those of others; the former makes a more striking demonstration, the latter a less painful one."

14 posted on 07/26/2005 10:28:10 PM PDT by Polybius
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I don't mean to sound insensitive or uncaring. I think the deaths of those men is a tragedy./i>

Neither do I. I'm trying to understand WHY the ADULTS were putting up the tent. I mean, maybe scouting has changed, but the whole purpose of being a scout is learning and doing. Not having parents or parental figures do work FOR YOU..

15 posted on 07/26/2005 10:31:28 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (When the disbeliever sees this, he will say, 'How nice if I was also turned into sand.')
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To: Anticommie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1451323/posts?page=11#11


16 posted on 07/26/2005 10:37:22 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
Most campgrounds don't usually have wires like that nearby so it wouldn't have been on their minds.

You don't have to have power lines in your mind, but I don't believe neither of the four people raising the pole did not see the power lines when raising the pole.
When you are raising a pole, your head goes up and your eyes follow the end of the pole, power line is not a needle on the sky background, you have to be blind or under some kind of influence not to see it.
This is one of those tragedies which should never happen. The victims paid the ultimate price for their recklessness.

17 posted on 07/26/2005 10:38:56 PM PDT by Anticommie
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To: Anticommie
You obviously have never erected a large tent. They were raising the pole from inside the tent, and could not see the power lines overhead.

Your callous and ignorant comments are totally uncalled for in this instance.

18 posted on 07/26/2005 10:50:15 PM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: Polybius

In the event that you have a friend going to put up a circus tent, by all means, warn them.

I'd hate to think a family member or friend of these folks would cruise through this thread and read some of the comments made on it.

This is a time for sympathy, not explaining what a foolhardy thing these men did.


19 posted on 07/26/2005 10:58:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Coleus
But the task went terribly awry when they lost control of a giant tent pole and it hit some nearby power lines,

Accidents do happen, even if we try to claim that they never should. I will accept that these men were "doing their best." Heartfelt sympathies to all. I would hate losing any of my fellow Cub Scout leaders and I would punch anyone of spoke ill of them.

20 posted on 07/26/2005 11:12:07 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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