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'Over There,' Here and Now
Austin American-Statesman ^ | 26 July 2005 | Diane Holloway

Posted on 07/26/2005 9:20:49 AM PDT by Racehorse

. . . count on Steven Bochco's new series "Over There" to stir the already roiling pot of public opinion about the war in Iraq.

[. . .]

People who support the Bush administration's policies will probably see this series as anti-war. People opposed to the war -- or at least now ready for it to end -- might see it in another light.

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The series chronicles the experiences of new Army recruits, "a squad of virgins" as the loudmouth sergeant calls them, who arrive in Iraq with equal doses of courage and terror. Besides witnessing their horrific exploits in battle, we also get to know the soldiers' families back home.

People who support the Bush administration's policies will probably see this series as anti-war. People opposed to the war -- or at least now ready for it to end -- might see it in another light.

"Quite honestly I don't see a lot of potential for political controversy," Bochco said in a phone interview last week. "I don't see it in our intentions or in the show. I think the extent to which any individual might read politics into this show says more about their political mind-set than ours."

The series chronicles the experiences of new Army recruits, "a squad of virgins" as the loudmouth sergeant calls them, who arrive in Iraq with equal doses of courage and terror. Besides witnessing their horrific exploits in battle, we also get to know the soldiers' families back home.

[. . .]

. . . none of those series displayed the raw realism of "Over There" -- or aired while the wars they portrayed were ongoing. It's hard to imagine families or friends of soldiers in the Iraq War tuning into this show for entertainment.

(Excerpt) Read more at statesman.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bochco; drama; entertainment; iraq; overthere; review; television; wot
Show premieres this evening on Fox.  I'm going to take a look, but some of the troops in the field do not much care for it.

From The Seattle Post-Intelligencer, today:  These soldier's say 'Over There' is 'bogus'

A truck tire hits a flagged wire, a roadside bomb explodes, a handsome private with shredded leg screams in agony. In the bloody chaos of the moment, his soldier buddies panic. One pukes.

Stop the cameras! Sir!

"People don't act like that when an i.e.d. (improvised explosive device) goes off. They make us look like idiots. We're not idiots!" said a first lieutenant previewing "Over There," the new TV series from Steven Bochco ("NYPD Blue," "Hill Street Blues") that debuts tomorrow night on FX cable network. It's set in Iraq, hyped as "true to life" by producers and hailed by critics as "unflinching" and "gut-wrenching."

"Bogus" was the preferred adjective among the eight soldiers -- most of them Iraq vets -- viewing the series pilot last week at Camp Murray, headquarters of the Washington State National Guard in Tacoma.

"Thank God that's over," said a master sergeant as the credits rolled.

[. . .]

But some camo-clad critics at Camp Murray were left wondering just what the message was in "Over There." One said a young soldier who brags about slitting the throat of a child sentry "makes us look like murderers."

Master Sgt. Jeff Clayton complained that cameras deliberately dragged out the death scenes of Iraqi insurgents after a firefight, lingering unnecessarily on the carnage. "It made me sick."


1 posted on 07/26/2005 9:20:52 AM PDT by Racehorse
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The Hollyweird left always proclaims there is not bias, not political message.


2 posted on 07/26/2005 9:31:06 AM PDT by Madeleine Ward
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To: Racehorse

And Jane Fonda starts her anti-war book tour this week.

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Sounds like the Left is stuck in the 60's. Hey Teddy!!! We found the quagmire.


3 posted on 07/26/2005 9:36:10 AM PDT by TomGuy
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The Hollyweird left always proclaims there is not bias, not political message.

the NY Slimes raves about the show, which is all the proof you need that it is anti-American and traitorous to our brave Warriors. It is despicable that pantie wearing leftists create this garbage for the purpose of attacking Bush and knowingly putting our brave Warriors lives at risk. The left and their supporters will do anything to undermine this War.

4 posted on 07/26/2005 9:36:39 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: Racehorse
"Thank God that's over," said a master sergeant as the credits rolled.

Thank you, Sargeant. That's all I need to hear.

5 posted on 07/26/2005 9:44:03 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: Racehorse
Over There?? Not "Over There Blue" or "Over There Blues"? (Oh, right, they're drab green which doesn't cover up the double entendre on the "blue" material).

The series chronicles the experiences of ..."a squad of virgins"

Okay, now that sounds like Boccho.

TS

6 posted on 07/26/2005 9:49:55 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (When you're ready to have a mature discussion about the Green Lantern, you have my email address.)
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To: Racehorse
It still never ceases to amaze me that people will assume a Hollywood production company, who are pretty much in this for the money only, would be an accurate source of info about anything they attempt to portray (except maybe a show about television production companies).

They are authorities on nothing, it is well-proven that they generally have some political agenda to promote, so all you're left with is the entertainment value. Sounds to me like this one doesn't even have much of that to offer, anyway.

Think I'll get some exercise and take my pooch for a walk instead. the conversations with my Iraq-veteran neighbors will be far more enlightening and stimulating.

7 posted on 07/26/2005 10:02:20 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: Racehorse

My son is heading "over there" very soon. I have no intention of wasting one second of my time watching this program.


8 posted on 07/26/2005 10:09:26 AM PDT by MozartLover ( Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all others.)
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To: Racehorse

The left needed a government to their liking and now they have West Wing.

They needed a 'Nam remake so...

Continuous fantasy…

Mmmm Kool-Aide good...


9 posted on 07/26/2005 10:54:05 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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Thank you, Sargeant. That's all I need to hear.

Same here. I had wondered if the show might be ok, considering Bochco's work on NYPD Blue, which I've always enjoyed, but to heck with this crap.

10 posted on 07/26/2005 11:04:30 AM PDT by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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My son is heading "over there" very soon. I have no intention of wasting one second of my time watching this program.

My wife feels pretty much the same way.

Our son has completed one deployment to Afghanistan.  He is overdue for a return trip or a new deployment to Iraq.  His wife isn't much complaining about that.  We're mostly reconciled to the fact his career will take him back into harm's way more than a few times.

I'll watch it, though.  At least for one episode.  I want to know how these guys and gals are being portrayed.

The reaction of the veteran Washington National Guard troops who previewed the show is probably typical of anyone who has served over there.  Like someone once told me a long time ago, no matter what you think it will be like, it won't be.  And once you know what it is like, it won't be exactly the same thing even the guy next to you experienced.  Nobody, no novelist and no screenwriter, will ever get it right.

So, it comes down to an approximation.  That's what interests me. (Well, the drama interests me, too.)  How will this show portray our men and women?  Will the producers, directors, actors do them honor and justice, or will they be proxy Jane Fonda shills.  I won't know unless I take a look or two.

Please tell your son "Thank you" for his service and we're very grateful for it!

11 posted on 07/27/2005 2:41:23 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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Well, I watched it--`Over There'--last night, sort of, while getting in some treadmill time. My favorite part had to be when all the nurses got up on stage and gyrated to Motown tunes! And they sure were purty, nothing like those olive drab-clad, broad-shouldered `angels of mercy' that stuck me way back when.
Wait a second . . . maybe that was American Rock & Roll Idol. Anywho, they sure `busted some moves'!


12 posted on 07/28/2005 12:01:26 PM PDT by tumblindice
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