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Larry Johnson's Group (VIPS) Called On CIA Employees To Leak Secrets To Hurt Bush
Associated Press ^ | March 17, 2003 | Unknown

Posted on 07/25/2005 10:03:04 PM PDT by Sam Hill

Ex-CIA Accuse Bush of Manipulating Iraq Evidence

Monday, March 17, 2003

WASHINGTON — Invoking

the name of a Pentagon whistle-blower, a small group of retired, anti-war CIA officers are accusing the Bush administration of manipulating evidence against Iraq in order to push war while burying evidence that could show Iraq's compliance with U.N demands for disarmament.

The 25-member group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, composed mostly of former CIA analysts along with a few operational agents, is urging employees inside the intelligence agency to break the law and leak any information they have that could show the Bush administration is engineering the release of evidence to match its penchant for war.

VIPS member Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran who gave intelligence briefings to top Reagan officials before retiring in 1990, said the administration has not made the case that Iraq has ties to Al Qaeda and is providing information that does not meet an intelligence professional's standard of proof.

"It's been cooked to a recipe, and the recipe is high policy," McGovern said. "That's why a lot of my former colleagues are holding their noses these days."

But the CIA said McGovern doesn't have any authority to speak of the quality of intelligence policy-makers are reviewing.

"He left the agency over a decade ago," spokesman Mark Mansfield said. "He's hardly in a position to comment knowledgeably on that subject."

VIPS say their appeals to CIA staff are an attempt to evoke another Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret study on U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

Leaking classified national defense information is illegal, and CIA officers, who take a secrecy oath when they join could lose their security clearances or jobs, and may even face prosecution...

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To: JaneAustin
Worth seeing again .. to remember the timeline ..from your link.... thanks:

In May 2003, after his mission to Niger but before his July 6, 2003, Times op-ed piece, Mr. Wilson began working for Mr. Kerry as an unpaid adviser, offering foreign policy advice and speechwriting tips.

A week after the Times piece ran, a conservative columnist wrote on July 14 that White House officials had leaked the name of Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as retribution. Rumors swirled that the administration was striking out at Mr. Wilson through his wife, who originally proposed him for the Niger mission.

Mr. Wilson originally said reporters told him that White House political adviser Karl Rove told them his wife was "fair game," a statement he later retracted.

441 posted on 07/26/2005 1:34:39 PM PDT by STARWISE (You get the gov't you deserve. Call your Congress Critters OFTEN - 877-762-8762)
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To: Sam Hill
The neocon attack on CIA veterans, including the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), began in earnest on the/Republican Freerepublic.com site, a bevy of white supremacists, JDLers, and John Birchers largely based in California's San Joaquin Valley and Orange County.

Hey guys, somebody else besides Larry is reading this thread.

Posted by the man himself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1451016/posts

442 posted on 07/26/2005 1:38:45 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: Mo1
The Democratic Policy Committee

Have searched their archives, but their meeting transcripts only go back to Oct 2003. Did a Google as well, but no results on a May 2003 meeting.

443 posted on 07/26/2005 2:03:31 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: dinasour

This thread has shaken them up.


444 posted on 07/26/2005 2:09:36 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsch"....... "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: dinasour

FR has really hit a nerve...is there a Wayne/Larry connection...


445 posted on 07/26/2005 2:13:19 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave)
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To: mystery-ak

Sisters?


446 posted on 07/26/2005 2:20:02 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Enchante

No worries; I missed the typo, too, until Shermy caught it and pointed it out. But the upshot that Wilson had ties to the Kerry campaign is still valid, and his earlier ties to the Al Gore campaign are also suspicious.


447 posted on 07/26/2005 2:22:06 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: robomurph

I was just doing a little research on Lehane and found out that he was the originator of the Kerry intern story. I'm amazed that I didn't know that.


448 posted on 07/26/2005 2:23:22 PM PDT by Eva
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To: mystery-ak
FR has really hit a nerve...is there a Wayne/Larry connection...

Paging Mr Fitzgerald, paging Mr. Fitzgerald.

449 posted on 07/26/2005 2:23:49 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsch"....... "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: Fedora
Do you think the MSM is waiting with bated breath to cover this?

... the upshot that Wilson had ties to the Kerry campaign is still valid, and his earlier ties to the Al Gore campaign are also suspicious.

450 posted on 07/26/2005 2:24:20 PM PDT by GOPJ (A person who will lie for you, will lie against you.)
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To: mware

Yes it has. <p<I bet we have said everything that has gone down. The only problem we have is putting it in sequential order.


451 posted on 07/26/2005 2:28:16 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Eva; mass55th
It does smell like a possible Lehane job. I need to review the chronology on Lehane's links to Kerry and Wilson. Here's one thread I archived where mass55th suggested that line of thought:

Spouse of outed CIA officer signs on with Kerry

I was thinking that perhaps Chris LeHane got the ball rolling. He resigned from Kerry's campaign around September 15th of last year. The Wilson story broke around the 27th or 28th of September 2003. No proof, but it sounds like something LeHane would do.

SNIP

The Wilson story about the leak of his wife's name to the Press was made around the 27th or 28th of September of 2003. I was contemplating the possibility of LeHane, who left the Kerry campaign on Sept. 15th, of possibly being behind, or at least setting the whole leak thing in motion sometime before he resigned. He left the campaign in a huff. It wasn't something that was planned.

IIRC the Plame story actually broke a bit earlier than this in 2003, in July, which means if LeHane left on September 15 he would've still been with Kerry as that story was breaking.

452 posted on 07/26/2005 2:33:31 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora; Howlin; Sam Hill; Jim Robinson; farlander; Eva; Grampa Dave; JaneAustin

Here's a very revealing item, right from Joe Wilson's mouth (or keyboard). On the question of WHEN Joe Wilson & friends began their campaign to undermine the WH, here are a couple of VERY interesting comments Wilson made for an online forum conducted by the Kerry campaign. Wilson makes it sound like he despised GW Bush before the November 2000 election and was "ready to fight" right from the start of the Bush administration! This raises the question of what surreptitious discussions and activities were going on among Wilson, Plame, Larry Johnson, Rand Beers, Richard Clarke, et al in 2000-2002...... and it makes Valerie Plame's effort to have her husband sent to Niger on the uranium mission even more suspicious!!

JOE WILSON: "When the neoconservatives got control of our national security policy, I knew we needed to mobilize to fight"





http://web.archive.org/web/200301-200409re_/http://www.restorehonesty.com

Guest (Oct 29, 2003 11:07:37 AM)
At what point did you lose faith in the Bush Administration and why exactly do you fell that John Kerry is the best candidate?

*** Joe Wilson (Oct 29, 2003 11:09:25 AM)
[passage about 2000 primary in North Carolina, Wilson blames Bush for attacks on McVain]....When the neoconservatives got control of our national security policy, I knew we needed to mobilize to fight

.....

*** Joe Wilson (Oct 29, 2003 11:33:11 AM)
It is essentially a small cabal of zealots who seize the opportunity presented by the tragedy of 9/11 to impose a horribly destructive foreign policy on our country


453 posted on 07/26/2005 2:36:37 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Fedora

Wilson stated in October of that year, that he was asked by Chris Lehane to become a foreign policy advisor to the Kerry campaign in May. Before that meeting, Wilson had never made any accusations about the exposure of his wife or even mentioned the sixteen words. It is known that Lehane set up the Vanity Faire article and probably the NYT article. I have no doubt that this whole thing was orchestrated by Lehane.

Lehane left the Kerry campaign because the Clintons deemed Kerry a loser and asked Lehane to move over to the Clarke campaign. Whatever transpired when Lehane left, the Clintons were behind it.


454 posted on 07/26/2005 2:39:14 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
I believe he was working for Wes Clark at the time. He worked for Kerry until September 2003 when he was directed, by you know who, to jump over to recently drafted Clark.

Chris revealed his true character by maliciously slimeing his old boss.

455 posted on 07/26/2005 2:39:28 PM PDT by robomurph
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To: Howlin

By what reason does everyone seem to think this guy is a Republican?

I did a search and didn't find any donations to candidates that looked like they might be his and none made by Berg Assc.

Just because he worked "during" the Reagan admin. doesn't make him a Republican. Anyone?


456 posted on 07/26/2005 2:42:07 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Enchante

"Here's a very revealing item, right from Joe Wilson's mouth (or keyboard). On the question of WHEN Joe Wilson & friends began their campaign to undermine the WH, here are a couple of VERY interesting comments Wilson made for an online forum conducted by the Kerry campaign. Wilson makes it sound like he despised GW Bush before the November 2000 election and was "ready to fight" right from the start of the Bush administration!"

Yeah, I've actually posted that chat session on other threads.

His account of how McCain was treated in South Carolina sounded a little far-fetched to me. It just didn't get that much news at the time.

In the same chat session Wilson went on to say he had just had dinner with the Moveon.org people--and what great people they are.

They probably fed him this line.


457 posted on 07/26/2005 2:43:08 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Eva
Whatever transpired when Lehane left, the Clintons were behind it.

I wonder if the OFF is tied into this somehow. We all know they were against the war in Iraq. That was too good a gravy train for the clintons and their cohorts to pass up. Look at all the money the UN was raking in on that little scam. A war in Iraq would have wiped it all out and papers would be found there that implicated a lot of important people around the world. There was a lot of fingers in the pie of the OFF program.

458 posted on 07/26/2005 2:44:15 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: robomurph

No, it was the previous May that Lehane met with Wilson. The story broke in the July issue of Vanity Faire, which came out the last week of June. He moved to Clark's campaign in Sept.


459 posted on 07/26/2005 2:45:10 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Sam Hill
In the same chat session Wilson went on to say he had just had dinner with the Moveon.org people--and what great people they are.

Moveon.org is George Soros' baby.

460 posted on 07/26/2005 2:46:04 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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