Larry Johnson's Group (VIPS) Called On CIA Employees To Leak Secrets To Hurt Bush

Associated Press ^ | March 17, 2003 | Unknown

[Sam Hill]

Ex-CIA Accuse Bush of Manipulating Iraq Evidence

Monday, March 17, 2003

WASHINGTON — Invoking

the name of a Pentagon whistle-blower, a small group of retired, anti-war CIA officers are accusing the Bush administration of manipulating evidence against Iraq in order to push war while burying evidence that could show Iraq's compliance with U.N demands for disarmament.

The 25-member group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, composed mostly of former CIA analysts along with a few operational agents, is urging employees inside the intelligence agency to break the law and leak any information they have that could show the Bush administration is engineering the release of evidence to match its penchant for war.

VIPS member Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran who gave intelligence briefings to top Reagan officials before retiring in 1990, said the administration has not made the case that Iraq has ties to Al Qaeda and is providing information that does not meet an intelligence professional's standard of proof.

"It's been cooked to a recipe, and the recipe is high policy," McGovern said. "That's why a lot of my former colleagues are holding their noses these days."

But the CIA said McGovern doesn't have any authority to speak of the quality of intelligence policy-makers are reviewing.

"He left the agency over a decade ago," spokesman Mark Mansfield said. "He's hardly in a position to comment knowledgeably on that subject."

VIPS say their appeals to CIA staff are an attempt to evoke another Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, a top-secret study on U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

Leaking classified national defense information is illegal, and CIA officers, who take a secrecy oath when they join could lose their security clearances or jobs, and may even face prosecution...

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May I cut your entire post #25, and use it? I will credit your name at the bottom.

[roses of sharon]

Of course, which is why the MSM gives him the faux "expert" label, he is a DNC op posing, no different than Russert, Scheiffer, Jennings, Rather, Brokaw, ect, all posing as journalists.

[mware]

Did anyone ping cyncooper????

[Sam Hill]

Sure. Be my guest.

[Minus_The_Bear]

I find this story unbelievable... There's no way anybody employed by the CIA or FBI could operate a computer.

[Sam Hill]

Done.

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I am moving further and further into the "This was/is an attempted coup" column.

So am I.

Do you remember during 9-11, the message coming out of the ME was that there was a coup happening in the US? They were speaking about the WTC attacks, but I think in their minds, a coup was taking place. I'll bet the CIA was horrified when that rumor started coming out over the wire.

[6SJ7]

Ain't the internet grand?

Indeed it is! Total transparency. Nowhere to hide. No MSM 'filters'. Potentially millions of real reporters/researchers out there tracking down the dirt.

[Sam Hill]

"Of course, which is why the MSM gives him the faux "expert" label"

Johnson was at the CIA for less than four years. At least one year of that was training.

And it was many moons ago.

[OKIEDOC]

"To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have approved beforehand."

When I get one of these replies from an email address I just don't respond.

Seems rather pompous to me.

I spent a number of years in Colombia.

Killing Pablo Escobar does not in itself make you a good guy.

Years ago the Colombians had the Drug Lords and Guerrilla whipped but like many of our current American liberals developed an attitude of pacifism.

That change in attitude has caused them many years of misery and thousands of innocent deaths.

I suspect that Americas current liberal anti-American pacifists will in the long run also cause many innocent deaths if not put into their places.

[mware]

I have to admit this story is so convoluted that I find it necessary to lurk on the conversations between you two.

I will be very interested in seeing what cyn thinks of this new development.

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Thank you so much.

[Quilla]

I wish I would have saved it...if anyone did, could you frmail it to Pub......

Done.

[Sax]

And it looks like Mad Mammoth's account is banned.

[nuffsenuff]

What the hell is going on here?

Why did they ban him?

[Publius6961]

WHOA! Do you think it was really him?

I fear it might not be, in which case there is more urgency to catch the nut case. I'm open to waiting to find out for sure before dumping on this guy. He has enough "issues" to deal with as it is...

[mware]

How long was Mad registered with FR?? We don't want another MDwhatevder his name was.

[dixiechick2000]

I haven't read the thread, yet.
But, I've always had to hold my nose to listen to Larry Johnson.
He stinks to high heaven.

Thanks for the post.
I like it! ;o)

[Enchante]

TARANTO: "None of this proves that VIPS is evil, or even wrong. It does say that Kristof is trying to pass off a fairly left-wing group as a group of non-partisan "professionals.""


Taranto is too generous, perhaps only for rhetorical reasons, since surely he knows that the far-left moonbats at Counterpunch are operating with butterflies for brains. Any group that is obviously based out of Counterpunch, such as VIPS, can fairly be termed a vicious far-left propaganda outfit (at best). Alex Cock-n-bull wouldn't have it any other way....

[Sam Hill]

"WHOA! Do you think it was really him?

I fear it might not be"

Since MM supplied the email headers, etc., it would be a pretty elaborate hoax, since it was Johnson's email.

If it was him, I suspect he is lurking. I wonder why he doesn't register and post. Since he is so courageous.