Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 9

Various News Outlets | 7/25/05

[TexKat]

Natalee Holloway and friends in Aruba 5/30/05

[RGVTx]

Jug: Still believes all 3 suspects and Paulus are involved in the disappearance of Natalee.

---

The PI expressed the same. Said he thinks JVDS would have called his dad when he needed help. Speculated JVDS called his dad when whatever happend with Natalee.

[TexKat]

From Nancy Grace:

Joe Lawless Defense Attorney thinks that the case is going to come down by the suspects being nailed by forensic evidence.

Another guest on NG stated that the focus should be on Paulus Van Der Slime instead of info that was generated over a domino game.

Susan Candiotti: The pond did not have much water in it at the time of Natalee's disappearance, but has filled due to the storms.

[countryconservative]

I'm back from dinner...

Reporter on Nancy Grace (NG) says that the "pond" had some water in it on the night Natalee came up missing. It is about 2 feet deeper since the hurricane blew over last week or so.

NG: Gardeners story is being back up by several people.

[TexKat]

I thought I heard last night that the computer stuff was false that in fact it was a text message sent to Depak's computer from a cell phone - not that Depak was necessarily there to pick it up.

The only one thing that I can say that has remained constant in this case is that Natalee Holloway is missing.

[countryconservative]

Did you catch what SC said about the chatroom? - will wait for you to post it.

[countryconservative]

Something is not right - maybe Deepak was not in the car and maybe it was Steve Croes or Steve Croes and Satish with Joran. Maybe Satish let Joran drive since Deepka was not there?

[theophilusscribe]

Natalee Holloway: Evidence And Untruth
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_75.html#more


This below was compiled by reader / commenter airam. I did some editing, nothing more. The question of evidence, or lack thereof in this case is obvious. And what there is, is circumstantial. To some extent, the information below deals with that, or at least good cause to question the boys' innocence.

As any untruth might pertain to some truth, I researched some of the stories told by the three boys.

Below are some of the untruths that the boys have told since the beginning. If you know of any others, just let airam me know in comments and she may add it to the list...

False Statement #1

Joran, Deepak and Satish drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn, she stumbled out of the car and trips onto the ground. Joran tries to help her; she refuses and states “I can stand on my own”. They see the two security guards, drive away Deepak and Satish take Joran and go home.

False Statement #2 - Almost the same as #1 – but more detailed.

Deepak tells his Mother that he and Satish were giving Joran and Natalee a ride to the hotel. Joran and Natalee were kissing in the backseat and he was getting upset because he did not like that in his car. He said “That if you want to make love, go and pay a hotel and go in a hotel room, not in my car”. While on the way to the hotel, Natalee asked if she could see the lighthouse, because she was leaving tomorrow morning, and if they can drive her up there. He drove up to the lighthouse, but didn’t stop because she was drunk. He said she was like, Hey, here I am and then wanted to go back to the hotel.

False Statement #3 – same as #2, but then changes the ending

Satish tells their Mother that they lied because Joran is their friend and they were covering for him. He said that Joran asked us to leave him by the Marriott beach with Natalee and he and Deepak went home.

False Statement #4

In a joint interrogation with Joran, Deepak and Satish, Joran claims that Deepak, Satish and Natalee took him home and while sitting in the car outside the home, he and Natalee exchanged email addresses and say goodbye. Joran goes in his house and Deepak and Satish take Natalee back to the Holiday Inn.
Deepak denies this and states: “Why are you lying, Joran?”

False Statement #5

Joran tells his Mother that he, Natalee, Deepak and Satish went to the “California” lighthouse, then left the lighthouse and went to the "Marriott Hotel" beach. He and Natalee got out of the car and Deepak and Satish drove away. Joran fooled around with Natalee and left her on the beach as she says she wanted to stay there. Joran tells his mother not to worry, because he didn't do anything to the girl.

False Statement #6

Joran breaks down and cries at the prison and tells them “we buried Natalee” to the north of the Marriott Hotel, towards some indistinct area by the fisherman's huts.

False Statement #7

Joran says he has a suspicion of where Deepak buried Natalee. Joran tells the police that after Natalee fell asleep on the “Marriott Hotel” beach, he left her there and walked home. He believes that Deepak went back to the “Marriott Hotel” beach, raped then murdered Natalee, then Deepak buried Natalee near the fishermen’s huts.

False Statement #8 – same as #7, only this time he says they both fell asleep.

Joran claims he had fallen asleep with Natalee on the beach, woke up and then left. Deepak then went back, raped and murdered Natalee and buried her body near a fisherman's hut on the beach.

[Palladin]

>>>Nancy calls Jossy Mansur "HOcee"..<<<

She calls the Kalpoes the KALPOOIES.

Nancy cracks me up!

[Yaelle]

Where was her toothbrush? Could she have left it in the bathroom at the hotel and some of the school guys used it?

Let's put it this way -- if the DNA were from the 3 in this case, it must have been from the day or night before she was missing. And it must have been either borrowing the brush (which seems unlikely because the friends would have remembered Joran sleeping with Natalee in the hotel, no?), or what some of your minds are now thinking. Voluntary, though.

Actually, thinking aloud here, if Joran had gotten a separate ROOM at the hotel, she might have "been with" him the night before for a few hours in HIS hotel room. Remember that he said he was a tourist. Maybe she brought her cosmetic case into his room and since he had no brush, he used hers.

However, it might just be a friend from the trip borrowing her brush.

[monkeywrench]

Or maybe satish was covering for his brother and posting as him. He had to have known they needed cover. I've even had the passing thought that the kalpoo mom was posting as depak.

[countryconservative]

Well it will be hard to prove which one of the Kaploes was on the computer. Maybe one of them was home and someone else was in the Deepak's car with Joran behind the wheel.

It is ODD in my opinion that Joran was behind the wheel in Deepak's car. But we know that Satish was allowed to drive the car while Deepak was at work on normal days. So maybe Satish had the car and Deepak was at home - Satish may have allowed Joran to drive since Deepak was not there. The 3rd person in the car may have been anyone - Maybe PVDS? Maybe Steve Croes? - Maybe Jamie (Joran's best friend?)

[Palladin]

but...but...but..LEA are saying that the time on the computer was tampered with...adjusted by Deepcrap to make it APPEAR he was home by 3 a.m.

[theophilusscribe]

Continued from RWV: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_75.html#more

Now for other statements made by various people...

= Deepak says “SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE”

= Paul Vandersloot spoke to the boys soon after Natalee went missing and told them about telling the police the truth, and what would happen if they lied. He also told them if is there is no body, there is no crime.

= Deepak tells Mickey John that they left Carlos'N Charlie's and went straight to the lighthouse. Deepak was driving and Satish was sitting next to him. Natalee was in the backseat behind Deepak, and Joran was in the backseat behind Satish. He said that Joran and Natalee were kissing in the backseat and that she was very, very drunk. He said Natalee wanted to see the Lighthouse so they drove there. Deepak said that on his way back up they stopped ... close to the Marriott and they dropped off Natalee and Joran and he and Satish went home.

Once home, he went on line, and about an hour later, Joran sent him a text message on his cell phone, and that when he got home he'd go on line to chat with him.

Deepak tells Mickey John, that they will be out soon, but Joran would remain because he knows he was the last with her after they dropped Joran and Natalee at the Marriott. Deepak said that he thinks Joran is holding back something, and that the father made up the story. Deepak told him that the family sat at the pool and came up with the lie about the holiday inn.

He said he lied to the police, because normally when tourists come here and they get lost, a few days later they are usually recovered at some crack house or with some beach bums. ... But, when nothing was coming out, he and Satish decided to tell the truth to the police.

= Gardner said he saw Joran driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30. He says Joran tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.

= Another witness says she saw the car owned by Deepak being in the area near the racquet club, around the homes, 3 times during the night that Natalee disappeared.

= Another witness says Kalpoe brothers were seen washing their car very thoroughly in what was said to be an unusual location near their home. This took place after their initial release from questioning and prior to their arrest. EquuSearch sought to check the area with dogs; however they were turned away by the Mother of Deepak Kalpoe.

= Another witness said he saw Joran driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30. He said that Joran tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe

And last but not least... The phone calls/messages...

2:35-2:40 AM - phone call made from Joran phone between 2:35-2:40 AM to Deepak. Joran claims he called him to ask for a ride home. Per Koch, Satish’s attorney, Deepak told Satish that Joran called and said he was walking home and that he left Natalee at the Marriott Hotel beach.

3:15 - 3:20 AM Joran text-message-emails Deepak to tell him he has arrived home safely.

4:00 a.m. Phone record from Joran to Deepak after which Deepak left his home.

[monkeywrench]

The toothbrush rumor was started by a lawyer for the liars. He isn't privy to anything info-period.

[TexKat]

Nancy Grace:

Beth states that she found out that there is coorborartion of the gardner's story this week.

Susan Candiotti states that the female witness states that Deepaks car may have been in the area around the time of Natalee's disappearance.

TJ Ward states that the suspects also went back to the scene a week or so later. Mr. Ward states that they have the right person/people.

Beth: We have been going through this since June 10th. Until I know something definitively, of course I am going to have hope that she is alive.

[gubamyster]

Has it been verified that the text message was sent by computer? Maybe it was sent by cell phone. Maybe that's why Joran was driving - because Kalpoe was too busy using his cell phone to send a text message.