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1 posted on 07/24/2005 8:59:45 AM PDT by SC33
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Open the borders in exchange for votes, that is the solution to this political conundrum.
2 posted on 07/24/2005 9:02:02 AM PDT by Now_is_The_Time (They hate us because we're better.)
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Sorry, but I know hard liner democrats who are sick and tired of the open borders. I doubt this is an issue that is going to come down to repubs vs democrats.


3 posted on 07/24/2005 9:04:05 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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Worried that the tone of the immigration debate is pushing Latinos away from the Republican Party

Immigration and borders could be handled in a manner that the hispanic population could respect. After all, those who immigrated legality are losers when illegal immigration is allowed to proceed without limit. The main problem is that any step taken will be demonized by the democrats. And whipped into a frenzy of republican bashing. The average hispanic will fall for this scree because they are tuned into the democratic version of handouts. The republicans are correct to take a careful position here, and it is not because they want cheap labor for their hotels and ranches. (Although they take these benefits if they can.)

5 posted on 07/24/2005 9:12:36 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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"There's two voices right now, and the noisy one is what I call the slam-the-borders crowd," Armey said. "The voice we want to speak with — and the one that will be in unison with President Bush — is the voice that echoes those marvelous words on the Statue of Liberty."

What a load of crap! The "slam-the-borders crowd" wants them slammed so we can the begin an orderly entry process, not to keep people out forever.

"To me, the Tancredo wing appeals to the more prurient character of our nature," Armey added. "We want to talk to the better angels of our nature."

He means the greedy/vote-pandering angels.

Organizers say the new coalition is patterned after groups formed to press for Bush's overhaul of Social Security and his successful 2003 push for a Medicare prescription drug program — a new aspect of Republican strategy in which corporations and other interest groups are tapped to help move public opinion in favor of a policy initiative.

Social security, what a waste of time and "political capital" that's been so far, while gas prices soar over $2.50/gal. And prescription drugs? Another Big Govt. vote-pandering to seniors.

Admission into the new coalition costs between $50,000 and $250,000. The proceeds are expected to pay for a political-style campaign for an approach to immigration that combines heightened border security with a guest-worker program of some sort, creating an environment that the White House believes will be more favorable for Bush to step back into the fray.

So our C-i-C in the War on Terror is scared to "step back into the fray" on securing his own country's borders??

Tancredo accused the administration of forging an alliance with business executives who view migrants as a path to greater profits.

Bingo! And the rest of us soon-to-be minimum wage slobs will then have to vote Democrat, I guess, in order to get an increase.

6 posted on 07/24/2005 9:14:17 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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Here we go again with the "political solutions."

How 'bout something practical like more border patrols and stiff fines and jail time for companies that knowingly hire Criminal Aliens?

IMHO, the American people are getting fed up with Criminal Aliens running wild through our country.

Push WILL come to shove and it's gonna be ugly.


7 posted on 07/24/2005 9:14:37 AM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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The push is being planned to coincide with next year's campaigns for the House and Senate, in which Latino voters could be crucial in several states. It is part of a broader White House strategy to forge a long-lasting majority by drawing more minority voters.

If this is truly a push for minority support why are only latinos mentioned???

8 posted on 07/24/2005 9:15:33 AM PDT by raybbr
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Worried that the tone of the immigration debate is pushing Latinos away from the Republican Party, the White House is working with political strategists to create a broad coalition of business groups and immigrant advocates to back a plan President Bush could promote in Congress and to minority voters in the 2006 elections.

Memo to President Bush - why don't you instead come up with a plan that you could promote to your FRIGGIN' BASE?!???

12 posted on 07/24/2005 9:19:49 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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Worried that the tone of the immigration debate is pushing Latinos away from the Republican Party

Is the White House that out of touch with the American people?

Trying to grant amnesty and giving preferential treatment to illegals is driving Latinos away from the Republican Party. Those who came in legitimately through the system are as opposed to amnesty for illegals as most WASPs are. Someone needs to clue the White House in -- or they will be handing future elections back to the Democrats.
13 posted on 07/24/2005 9:21:14 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Now, the White House hopes to reinvigorate the drive for new immigration laws — but this time it wants to work in advance to ensure that the president is backed by a broad alliance of business and advocacy groups.

So much for Bush's convictions. He can't take the heat on his open borders agenda so he'll go to groups like la raza to help support him.

15 posted on 07/24/2005 9:23:12 AM PDT by raybbr
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On another note, it is excellent that the open borders lobby feels compelled to start pushing back. It means we are making a dent. Just watching the debating climate on FR strongly indicates that support for open borders in the Republican base has evaporated. Now we just need to get that message upstairs, loud and clear.


18 posted on 07/24/2005 9:24:47 AM PDT by dob
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Um, Mr. PResident, how about just ENFORCING EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAWS? And calling illegal aliens what they are: Criminals.


21 posted on 07/24/2005 9:26:17 AM PDT by redhead
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Our immigration laws are being ignored and laughed at. Instead of enforcing the law the politicians respond with more laws and more bureaucracy. What a bunch of CRAP. Check out the Constitution party's web site. We need a third political party representing the interests of LEGAL Americans.
29 posted on 07/24/2005 9:37:32 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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OUTRAGEOUS! Bush wants to have a Mexican, Canadian, and American coalition. I can't understand those that blindly support this president. This is the number one issue facing our country. If you want your standard of living to get worse keep voting for these globolists. Vote Tancredo or the constitution party before it is to late.


34 posted on 07/24/2005 9:45:16 AM PDT by doc
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It'd be nice if they at least occasionally drew the distinction between legal and illegal immigration !


41 posted on 07/24/2005 9:55:46 AM PDT by 1066AD
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Just donate $50K to $250K and you can buy your own laws.

See, it's just like most of us have been saying all along, "all politicians are whores."

I don't want all Hispanics sent back to their home countries, just the ones here illegally.

I don't want a wall with gun turrets and minefields. However, I do want a border fence designed to keep out intruders and infiltrators, with enough people to patrol them to do the job.

Corporations and contractors are not hiring these people to fill jobs that Americans don't want. They are filling the jobs with people they can pay low wages to to increase their profit margin's. If they are going to hire them then the employers need to be responsible for all their medical, educational and other needs and not pass those costs onto the American taxpayers.
42 posted on 07/24/2005 9:56:30 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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Admission into the new coalition costs between $50,000 and $250,000. The proceeds are expected to pay for a political-style campaign for an approach to immigration that combines heightened border security with a guest-worker program of some sort, creating an environment that the White House believes will be more favorable for Bush to step back into the fray.

Cheap price for membership into the globalist co-op.

44 posted on 07/24/2005 10:16:56 AM PDT by raybbr
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That article told me everything I need to know about Bush's turncoat position. It's amazing that if the Democrats put up a candidate who was tough on illegal immigration, a military hawk toward the Islamo facists, and a supporter of the constitution, he'd win hands down. The only thing that kept Bush in office for two terms is the stupidity of the Democrats and their incompetent candidates.


51 posted on 07/24/2005 10:50:01 AM PDT by TheeOhioInfidel
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Illegal aliens should voluntary return to their home country or be deported. Illegal aliens should not be given legal status.


55 posted on 07/24/2005 11:06:48 AM PDT by arnoldpalmerfan (Tancredo for President 2008)
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70 posted on 07/24/2005 1:42:49 PM PDT by gubamyster
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Why does the President keep saying that Americans of Hispanic origin are addicted to law breaking? That we must accept the law breakers as "guests" lest we offend Americans of Hispanic origin?

But I say again. There is more to this than government subsidized "cheap" labor and votes.

Remittances from migrant labor is just as important as the free tradin' transfer of technology, wealth, and jobs to developing countries. Both are critical to "raising boats" and everyone in Washington believes that that is the primary road to world peace.

Washington has committed the U.S. to "raising everyone else's boat." Citizens and sovereignty be damned.

If they can't hear us now they ain't listening. They do not want to listen. They have more important tasks.

Get use to it or get new political parties.

Nov., 2006, that's our "drop dead" date.

72 posted on 07/24/2005 2:08:19 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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