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1 posted on 07/23/2005 9:39:48 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Other then speaking about "tightening up internally" or "fortifying the borders" or "Arresting illegals" what actual specifics does Tancrado call for to

"take a hard-line stance on immigration." ?


I am not interested in the usual sloganeering and cheer-leading of the pro-Tancradeo battalion. I don't want to hear the mindless nonsense about "fortifying our borders", what I want is some real solid specific ideas on what Tancradeo and his crowd think is the solution to illegal immigration
2 posted on 07/23/2005 9:46:24 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: neverdem

Why does this have to be a story? We have other things we'd rather be talking about, like a Supreme Court justice to confirm and an energy bill to pass.


3 posted on 07/23/2005 9:46:58 AM PDT by DuckFan4ever (Closing in on a permanent GOP majority. Don't blow it Tom Tancredo.)
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To: neverdem

The muslim "leaders" whining need to STF up. If 9/11 had happened any time prior to the 1960's, Mecca and Medina would already be glass parking lots. Americans have been about as patient as it gets. One of these days, we may not be so patient. Americans will only take it in the shorts so often until they get ugly.


4 posted on 07/23/2005 9:47:06 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: neverdem
You CAIR and the Dhimmicrats are in good company. http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=37225&theType=NB


5 posted on 07/23/2005 9:47:59 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: neverdem

Good. I like a man who doesn't toss his principles overboard at the first sign of adversity. After all, the president himself has said that nothing is off the table.


6 posted on 07/23/2005 9:50:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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"I have nothing to apologize for in that respect," Tancredo said

No. You don't. Nor should you.

Tom is an embarrassment to the GOP only because he has balls and this points out the fact that the GOP rarely uses theirs.

7 posted on 07/23/2005 9:51:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: neverdem; CHARLITE; SJackson; tiamat
"When he makes such a statement he should have the courage to go back and apologize," said Rafaat Ludin, president of the Colorado Muslim Society, an organization that includes a mosque and represents 15,000 Muslims in the Denver area. "He is trying to provoke these terrorists who are making our lives miserable, here and across the world. How can you in your right mind call for something like that?"

interesting.

Tancredo should have the "courage" to retreat when he comes under fire?
Why do I get the niggling suspicion that the "terrorists" to whom Rafaat Ludin refers are none other than the nations of the West?

8 posted on 07/23/2005 9:53:10 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

Those of the Hard Right who claim that "Super Majorities" support for their views need to read the above link. This is an issue that has to be fought and won just like any other issue. The Right cannot win on this issue right now because it's spokespeople come across as fringe wackos head jobs. If you are serious about this issue, here is what needs to be done. You need to present, non emotionally, some serious thoughtful ideas on how to solve the problem of illegal immigration. The current vision being offered by the Hard Right of rounding up and deporting all the illegals and putting the US Military on a fortified border is NEVER going to happen. As you can see, the bulk of voters do not support that extremist a solution. So what the Anti-immigration crowd needs to do is present so solid, workable ideas rather then foaming at the mouth anytime anyone points out how fundamentally unworkable their current ideas are.
11 posted on 07/23/2005 9:55:27 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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So he said that, so what. The people who don't like him either benefit from illegal immigration (country club republicans aka traitors) or idiots, nuts, Democrats or other assorted freaks.


16 posted on 07/23/2005 10:00:31 AM PDT by RATkiller (I'm not communist, socialist, Democrat nor Republican so don't call me names)
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To: neverdem

I don't think he should apologize until all of the mullahs who have called for our destruction apologize and repent.


23 posted on 07/23/2005 10:08:04 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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Wonder if a radioactive Kaba will remove the duty for Muslims to complete the Hajj or if they will keep coming and dying?


28 posted on 07/23/2005 10:11:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos
Egypt clears London attack suspect

After I described the properties of the explosive believed to have been used on 7/7/05 in London to my best friend, who is an investigator type of LEO, which was also the explosive apparently used in the last London bombing attempt, he said that made Magdy el-Nashar more suspect.

33 posted on 07/23/2005 10:20:16 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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Thanks for posting the article and the actual transcript.

"Rafaat and Ludin said Colorado Muslims are seeking a meeting with Tancredo to discuss his comments. Tancredo spokesman Will Adams said he was not familiar with the request."
As in "Take a Hike!" Maybe this "gonaditis" will spread and prompt other politicians to say the same whenever some professional victim group is offended and demands a retraction.

35 posted on 07/23/2005 10:22:33 AM PDT by Oatka (Hyphenated-Americans have hyphenated-loyalties -- Victor Davis Hanson)
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He gets my vote. "We wont back down".

"We can either be your best friend, or worst enemy".

This ought to be his campaign slogan.

I remember when Reagan took office, the the Iranians released the hostages and they were in the air the second Reagan took office.

Go Tancredo!
36 posted on 07/23/2005 10:23:57 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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Mecca IS Islam, in a way it is difficult for Westerners to comprehend. Two of the "five pillars of Islam" are based on worshipping that black moon-god rock called Al-Hajarul Aswad in Arabic. (5x daily prayer to the moon-rock, and the Haj or pilgrimage to visit and worship the moon-rock in person.) Muslims see the black stone not as symbolic, but as a physical manifestation of Allah on earth, a chunk of Allah fallen to earth. The black stone has the power to suck all of the sins and evil out of men performing the Hajj pilgrimage. (Interesting to note that Islam’s holy of holies is packed with all of the sins of all of the Muslims who ever made the Hajj.)

Devout Muslims believe that the black stone represents all of Allah's power and glory. They believe, sincerely, that if the USA launched rockets at Mecca, Allah would swat them away like flies, or turn them around to hit New York or Washington.

If Allah could not stop the”infidel” bombs, and Mecca was turned into a crater, this would constitute absolute proof that Muhammed was a fraud and a liar, and that the moon-god rock had no power after all.

This would mean the end of the entire cult of Islam. Their cult could not adapt to or respond to or overcome complete, visible proof that Allah was powerless to stop the infidel weapons.

Now, I'm not calling for or predicting Mecca will ever be bombed. Not unless American cities were destroyed by Islamofascist nuclear bombs first. Our insane enemies don't care if we threaten Cairo or Damascus. They would welcome such attacks, as providing mega-martyrs for Allah! Polls conducted in many Islamic nations have asked, "Would it be worth it to wipe Israel off the map with atomic bombs, if it meant millions of Muslims would die in the counterstrike?" The poll is answered YES! by high numbers. So targeting cities means nothing to our fanatical enemies.

Mecca, on the other hand, means everything to our enemies. Some of our semi-rational enemies must understand that if they nuke our cities, they may finally get a test of Allah's power to smite incoming missiles before they can hit and destroy Mecca and Allah’s black moon-god Ka’aba rock. These semi-rational enemies must understand this, so that they can influence the complete maniacs, and keep them from ever getting the nuclear weapons they would surely use against America, given the chance.

The semi-rational Islamists must understand that Mecca and Allah's all-powerful black moon-god rock are on the table, as a retaliatory target, if our cities are attacked with nukes.

Putting Mecca on the counterstrike target option list, even hypothetically, means far, far more to them than threats to change Arab regimes or bomb Muslim capitols.

I want the insane and semi-sane Islamofascists to understand this: nuke America, and Mecca is on the retaliation list. This is the only meaningful deterrent threat, to insane and semi-sane Islamofascists. If you wish the sane Muslims and semi-sane Islamists to influence the Islamofascists away from WMD attacks on the USA, let it be known that the very existence of Mecca, (and therefore their entire religion), is on the table.

(And don't bother with the trite comparison of Mecca and say, the Vatican. The Vatican is just the place the Pope hangs his miter. Catholics don't literally lay down and worship some idol in St. Peters 5 X a day, for 20 minutes. If Rome was nuked, it would not destroy Christianity. Christianity lies in the heart of each believer, in the concept of Jesus the Savior on the Cross, not in worshipping some physical idol or totem like Allah's black rock.

More Mecca reading

Islam: Meteorite Worship of the black stone HERE

39 posted on 07/23/2005 10:28:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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Asked Monday whether he was concerned about inflaming terrorists, Tancredo said, "You've got people telling us that they're going to bomb our cities and kill however many millions of people that they can. You're telling me there's something more hostile than that?"

He forgot to add "and Ibrahiam Cooper can kiss my arse!"

45 posted on 07/23/2005 10:35:52 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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Run Tom Run!!! /sarc
50 posted on 07/23/2005 10:47:58 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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re: Rafaat Ludin re: Rafaat Ludin

Gee.. did we touch a nerve? Did the poor (American) Muslim's get their collective panties in a wad, because something the average Muslim ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT might be threatened.

I mean, they absolutely could care less about 3000 dead Americans, or the tens of thousands other dead from Muslim terrorists around the world. These dead are simply the infidels .. just like dead pigs or dogs, not people.

(Oh, you say that YOUR Muslim friend isn't like that. Sorry to burst your bubble, if he or she is at all devout, if they read the Koran and worship faithfully, the ARE like that. They also have as much a duty to lie to the infidels - that's YOU - in defending their faith as the Jahaadists have to blow up the infidels churches, schools, men, women, and especially the children.)

They absolutely don't care about their own women and children. The Jahaadist in Iraq use 'em as shields, when not generally treating their women like animals.

No, all they care about is their precious faith, and their holy sites.

Mecca...Medina - Give 'em 24 hours warning (because we DO care about their women and children - more than they do), and nuke both cities until they glow. They'll have to postpone their next pilgrimage for at least 10,000 years, or use radiation suits for the trek. Yes, this is a legitmate threat if there is a NBC (nuc, bio, chem) event in the U.S.A. This is a legitmate threat if Iran does not destory it's nuc production facilities (memo: Add Tehran and a couple of Shiite holy sites to the target mix).

This is about the point some liberal, neo-liberal, or weak-minded if well meaning religious person returns comments on how outraged or sad they are that I'm such a naive or hateful person. So, I'll preempt that now.

  1. The enemy is real, and persistent. They want to destroy Western civilization and particularly, any part that is Jewish, Christian, or American.

  2. The enemy wants to kill you. Correction, they do not just want to kill you, they want to kill your wife and kids, or take them for household slaves. It's written in their holy book (Qur'an), and they live their faith to the fullest in the Middle East, the Sudan, and previously in Afghanistan.

  3. The enemy is Islam. The devout Muslims are Islam's foot soldiers. The Jihaad-terrorists are it's shock troops. Islam circa 2005 is no different that Islam from the 7th century. Christianity was promulgated through the love and self-sacrifice of it's Christian believers. Islam is, and always has been spread by the sword.

Do not be deceived. Do not be confused. This war is not going away. This war will not end until Islam is vanquished, or the world capitulates becomes a Muslim Caliphate. You, your children, and your grandchildren will fight and win this war, or you will submit to Islam. There is now third choice, because Muslims do not want "peace" in the terms of Western Civilization, i.e. absense of hostilities and conflict. "Peace" to a Muslim is YOUR submission to Islam. They can be beaten, but they will neither surrender or make peace on Western terms.

Yes, Rafaat Ludin, tell this to your Muslim brothers:

I regret to inform you that Americans will not make "peace" with Islam. We will blow your ass to hell up, and make Medina and Mecca uninhabited cities of glass unless Islam accepts OUR peace terms. You surrender, you put your swords and guns and Iranian N-bombs in a deep hole in the ground, and you can worship Allah in peace. Otherwise, everything holy about Islam you care about will be gone.

SFS

54 posted on 07/23/2005 11:03:05 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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15,000 Muslims in Denver ?


55 posted on 07/23/2005 11:05:20 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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He said nothing he needs to back down from!


70 posted on 07/23/2005 11:32:20 AM PDT by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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