LONDON Suspect's killing by police rattles a city on edge

San Francisco Chronicile ^ | 7/23/05 | Alan Cowell, NYT

[ppaul]

London -- At about 10 a.m. on a sunny, summery Friday morning, London crossed a once-unthinkable line in its unfolding war on terror.

In a city where most police officers do not carry guns, the shock from the shooting death of a man in a subway car was palpable. It raised questions about police firearms practices, kindled uncertainty among Muslims and deepened the anxiety of a city that looks, these days, under siege.

The police said they had trailed a man, described as South Asian in appearance, from a house in Stockwell, a hardscrabble neighborhood of South London. He was clad in bulky clothes on a warm summer's day, witnesses said. He vaulted over a turnstile and dashed onto a train, with plainclothes police officers right behind him.

The police said the man did not obey orders to stop, so the officers shouted at the passengers to get down and take cover.

The man stumbled onto a train, and a passenger, Mark Whitby, told the BBC: "I looked at his face. He looked sort of left and right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, a cornered fox. He looked absolutely petrified, and then he sort of tripped, but they were hotly pursuing him."

The officers "couldn't have been any more than two or three feet behind him at this time," Whitby said, "and he half tripped and was half pushed to the floor, and the policeman nearest to me had the black automatic pistol in his left hand."

The officer with the gun "held it down to the guy and unloaded five shots into him," Whitby said.

[Katya]

If you look at history itself, your ignorant racial assesment doesn't hold up...even amongst "whites" we've heard the argument that too many Irish, Italians, or Poles have been admitted into the country, and because of their "cultural" differences are mucking things up.
This is not only a religious war, but a cultural one...however, I certainly don't see Hindu's or Buddhists running around blowing things up, do you?

[Moonman62]

The problem is one of ideology, not race. And the worst ideology of all is the one of the left that claims all are morally equivalent.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Too bad these police officers’ bullets weren’t first dipped in pig fat.

[ppaul]

This illustrates, to me, where the war on terror will be won. In our hometowns, on the street, by the citizens.

Let's hope not.
That's why we need to pray for President Bush - that he would have the resolve to take the war to their streets, their market places, their mosques. Make it clear that if a bomb goes off here, we will turn Riyadh, Damascuss, Tehran, Medina, Mecca, et al, into green glass. Let 'em guess which one, and keep 'em guessing.

[rattrap]

It's a crying shame all those brown IRA guys commited all that terrorism against good white folk like yourself, or when those brown guys blew up the Oklahoma federal building. Stormfront is a little further down the web, I think you made a wrong turn somewhere.

[Shery]

So Londoners think that police should never shoot to kill? Wonder what the response would have been if the suspect had detonated a pack of suicide bombs amongst them all?

"Now, please be nice to them. They don't really know what they're doing, you know!"

Good Grief!!!

[elhombrelibre]

Islamists come in all colors. And the fastest growing areas of Christianity in the world are in non-white areas, Africa and China, for example. Color, per se, is not the problem.

[RandallFlagg]

Who says they weren't.
And who knows if all others are?
;-)

[pau1f0rd]

So Londoners think that police should never shoot to kill?

Does it actually say that anywhere? No-one who has to take the tube to work will complain about one less terrorist.

[bill1952]

Wait a minute Ivan. More information, please.

Why are you angry?

It seems that it was known and reported by the media that the armed police had orders or permission to kill certain guys, that this was one that they were following (I doubt that they just bumped into him) and that they weren't taking chances with remote triggers on known suspects in the tube.

At first I was puzzled as to killing him when they might have gotten some info from him, but upon reflection, the bomb trigger thing made sense.

For a counterpoint to the SF media, Dr. Micheal Savage said this on his show:

"Five shots to the head? Well, now I know that England will survive." "That's what it takes to win."

"Above all, I fear that they will say, "You are weak." -WC

[backhoe]

To put it very bluntly--

I have long ceased having a care about what these creatures ( Muslims ) think, or feel, or fear, or even care about anymore:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating.
I am not joking-
-this is life versus death, freedom versus slavery that we are talking about.
Click the picture, go to the "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

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...and then, there's this little matter still on the books, waiting to be accounted for:

Where It's 9-11 All the Time...

Click the picture...

"Where it's nine-eleven all the time
and no Sun sets, and no clocks chime
where no voice speaks and no bird trills
the Moon hangs frozen o'er the hills
The winds are still, they seem to say,
Reflect, remember, stop to pray..."

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"Imam's fiery message speaks to radical British Muslims"

I wrote this some time ago, and while I wish I could change what is said, I cannot, nor will I, retract a single word of it:

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From my file, "Fire and Blood and Iron:"

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The entire West ( dare I say "the civilized World?" ) is locked in a fight to the death with militant Islam.

There will be no second-place winner, no "third way" solution-- it is March or Die time, folks.

It is Us versus an eighth-century "culture" of plunder & pillage, forced religious "conversions," and the mistreatment of women.

The sooner we face up to this fact realistically and quit dancing around PC talking-point nonsense about diversity and tolerance, the better off we'll all be.

We did not pick this fight- which really has roots in Jimmy Carter's appeasement in 1979 of militants- but we had damned well better see it for what it is, and be prepared to face it and finish it.

I'll put it in raw, personal terms-- I don't want Sharia law visited upon my women, and I don't want a goat-roper "culture" infesting my land.

I don't want their vile, nasty, loathsome weapons of mass destruction loosed upon my fair country, either.

They picked the fight, and now it is up to us to finish it- balls to the wall, hammer and anvil, fire and blood and iron... freedom is never, ever free, and the coin you pay it in is men's lives and tears and blood.

What we saw during Gulf War I was our military doctrine ( high tech ) versus Soviet doctrine ( throw a lot of low tech iron at the problem )-- and we all know how that turned out.

What we saw in the 3-Week War is Information-Tech,
( What some are calling it Hyperwarfare... )
or 21st Century warfare versus 20th Century...

What I would suggest, and call your attention to, is the fact that we, and Israel, are capable of waging 21st Century warfare, and the entire Arab world is not.

Proven fact, by recent events.

One more thing- this will be a war where we are all called to be warriors- so I very strongly suggest to you that the time has come to get hard, and stay hard... it really is the time for Fire and Blood and Iron...

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Who says they weren't.

Would it not be fun if they were dipped in pig fat? And if they weren’t, they should say they were just to get a memorable reaction from those feral animals.

[mewzilla]

Has the Beeb referred to these guys as terrorists yet, anyone know?

[AlexW]

I am all for blowing the terrorist to Hell, but I have not heard an explanation of why they pumped 5 rounds into this kids brain. Did they think he had a bomb and could pull a string to set it off, or what? I am just curious.

I can see them cuffing him and dragging him away, but it just seems strange that they kill him on the spot.
What am I missing? All very strange.

[76834]

IMO
The London authorities handled this perfect.

The booger should have stopped and put his hands up but he choose to run.

Apparently they tackled the perp then told the other passengers to get down/get out.
That indicates to me that the cops expected the perp to detonate.

It would take someone with a ton of cajones to do what the London cops did.

Hats off and a salute to all of them.

[mewzilla]

Would it not be fun if they were dipped in pig fat? And if they weren’t, they should say they were just to get a memorable reaction from those feral animals.

Well, they're being tracked, cornered, arrested and/or shot by LEOs who used to be referred to as "pigs", as least in the US. I'd say that's fitting.

[GVnana]

their imams and mullahs fomented violence in their mosques with impunity, and their bombers were able to carry out their plans unmolested

Yes, liberty, justice, being safe to walk the streets unmolested -- just a silly joke made up to fool people as far as these murderers are concerned.

I'm glad that mullah in Virginia got life imprisonment. As far as I'm concerned the attitude should be, "Anyone here want to join him?" (Kickin' *ss and takin' names.)

[MadIvan]

I am angry at the Muslim community for whingeing about it.

Regards, Ivan

[mewzilla]

I can see them cuffing him and dragging him away, but it just seems strange that they kill him on the spot.

They wanted to make sure that he didn't get a chance to detonate a device if he had one on him. Multiple head shots would ensure that, provided of course he didn't have a dead man switch. But I'm sure they've thought about that.

[RandallFlagg]

Wouldn't break MY heart. We should have been doing that for years.