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He’s No Souter: Many liberals heartened by possibility of Justice Roberts. They shouldn’t be.
AMERICAN PROSPECT.ORG ^ | JULY 21, 2005 | MICHAEL C. DORF

Posted on 07/21/2005 6:12:23 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Once upon a time, a Republican president distrustful of big government and enthralled with markets nominated a seemingly conservative man named Roberts to the Supreme Court. The president hoped and expected that long after he left the Oval Office, Justice Roberts would continue to do the work of his conservative movement. But Justice Roberts bitterly disappointed his erstwhile supporters, rejecting claims of states’ rights against the national government and defending the rights of minorities against the assertions of the national security state.

A liberal fantasy? Hardly. The president was Herbert Hoover and the justice was Owen Roberts, who, in the famous “switch in time that saved nine,” sided with the majority in two critical 1937 cases that reversed the Court’s long-standing hostility to progressive legislation. In 1944, Roberts dissented from the Court’s infamous decision in Korematsu v. United States, which upheld the forced removal of persons of Japanese ancestry from their homes on the West Coast to “relocation centers” in the nation’s interior.

Might John Roberts follow in the footsteps of Owen Roberts? By now Republicans no doubt fret that this is a well-beaten path. In addition to Roberts, Earl Warren, William Brennan, Harry Blackmun, and, to a lesser extent, Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy, and David Souter, have all disappointed Republican presidents by turning liberal -- at least on particular issues -- once safely ensconced in their respective Supreme Court seats.

There is some reason for liberals to be hopeful (and thus for conservatives to worry) about Roberts. Having observed several of his oral arguments in the Supreme Court, I agree with the nearly universal consensus that he is a brilliant lawyer. Gifted lawyers are sometimes ideologues, but overwhelming ideological commitments typically interfere with good lawyering. To make arguments effectively requires an ability to respond to the arguments of one’s adversary, which in turn requires an ability to see -- and thus see what is wrong with -- the adversary’s point of view. In his 1993 book, The Lost Lawyer, former Yale Law School Dean Anthony Kronman associated this consummate lawyer’s ability to simultaneously hold conflicting views in one’s mind with a spirit of moderation and toleration. If Kronman is right, then -- as someone with the capacity to understand and articulate a range of views on nearly every issue -- as a justice, Roberts might be expected to rule differently on different issues, perhaps following in O’Connor’s pragmatic, nonideological pattern.

That is a possibility, but a faint one. In anticipation of a Supreme Court vacancy, conservative groups have for years been rallying to the cry of “no more Souters.” David Souter was, of course, a “stealth candidate” in the sense that he lacked an extensive paper trail that purported to express his own personal views. Yet he proved too stealthy even for his supporters, for it turned out that Souter was and is a New England moderate.

Some on the far right drew the lesson that stealth candidates should be avoided at all costs, demanding a reliable movement conservative on record as calling for the reversal of Roe v. Wade, the invalidation of affirmative action, and the curtailment of gay rights. But this was never going to be a viable political strategy for a GOP that needs to curry favor with its religious conservative base without alienating the moderate center of American public opinion. What George W. Bush and the Republicans needed was a one-way stealth candidate, someone whose personal views on key constitutional issues were known by the administration to be reliably conservative but who appeared to outsiders as a cipher.

Has Bush found his one-way cipher in Roberts? Judging by the chatter on the news networks and the blogosphere, the answer appears to be yes. Democrats and liberal interest groups are calling for a full airing of the Roberts judicial philosophy, while Republicans and conservative groups are rallying to his defense under the banner of a “dignified” confirmation process (as though it is somehow undignified to ask a person nominated to a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court to explain what role he believes precedent ought to play in constitutional interpretation).

I doubt that President Bush directly sought from Roberts a commitment on particular issues, and as I share the general view of Roberts as a man of integrity, I am certain that if he were asked, he wouldn’t have provided such assurances. So how can movement conservatives be confident that Roberts will vote as one of them?

The short answer is that they cannot be wholly confident, but the longer answer is that they can take considerable comfort from the company Roberts keeps. He clerked for then-Associate Justice William Rehnquist when Rehnquist was clearly the Court’s most conservative member. He spent most of his career in the federal government, but only during Republican administrations. Thus, while Roberts is entitled to say that briefs he wrote, including those calling for the overruling of Roe, were in the service of a policy set by his political bosses, skeptics are equally entitled to ask why Roberts chose to work for these and not for other bosses.

Michael C. Dorf is the Michael I. Sovern Professor of Law at Columbia University. His 2004 book, Constitutional Law Stories tells the stories behind 15 leading constitutional cases. His next book, No Litmus Test: Law and Politics in the Twenty-First Century, will be published in early 2006


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: confirmation; georgewbush; herberthoorver; johnroberts; justice; liberals; nomination; owenroberts; reaction; scotus; selection
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1 posted on 07/21/2005 6:12:24 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

An interesting prediction. Maybe Roberts will turn out somewhat less conservative than we hope. But I don't see him turning liberal.


2 posted on 07/21/2005 6:19:05 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Mike DeWine for retirement, John Kasich for Senate)
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To: CHARLITE
"sided with the majority in two critical 1937 cases that reversed the Court’s long-standing hostility to progressive legislation."

What a nice way of describing the high court's heinous betrayal of our Constitutional Republic.

Very Orwellian

3 posted on 07/21/2005 6:21:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Dorf is a liberal, there is a bit of wishful thinking here but in all honesty we don't know Roberts' judicial phiosophy and thats giving me a headache.


4 posted on 07/21/2005 6:21:55 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CHARLITE

Like an amusement park ride. " You buys your ticket --you takes your chances" theres no guarantees.


5 posted on 07/21/2005 6:23:12 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Clintonfatigued

You never can tell. Even if he is conservative, being in a position where your decree is as good as law can be a strong temptation to abuse it. Republican judges, unfortunately, have a history of going bad.


6 posted on 07/21/2005 6:27:48 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: CHARLITE

Intersting left-liberal take on Roberts.


7 posted on 07/21/2005 6:36:25 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Was the Narcissistic Joe Wilson a Source in "Outing" His Own Wife Valerie Plame as a "CIA Agent"?)
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To: CHARLITE
Dorf is a doofus. He just happens not to mention that when Justice Roberts changed his opinion on New Deal programs on review in the Supreme Court, FDR was attacking the Court itself.

President Roosevelt had a court-packing law in Congress. He had the votes to pass it, even though some of the backbenchers were complaining some. When Justice Roberts switched his vote from 5-4 against FDR to 5-4 for him, only then did the court-packing bill die in Congress.

Sloppy work, professor. You get an "F." See me. Write this over.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Re: John Roberts, Supreme Court Nominee"

8 posted on 07/21/2005 6:38:25 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush's SECOND appointment obey the Constitution? I give 95-5 odds on yes.)
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To: CHARLITE

This is one of those rare moments that I hope that a liberal writer is correct.


9 posted on 07/21/2005 6:44:32 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: CHARLITE

Souter was unmarried and living with his mother at the time he was nominated. How such an anti-social person could be conceived as a good conservative pick is beyond me.

Souter is what Bush I wanted - someone who would continue the status quo. I hate W's father - I think he goes down as one of the worst Presidents in history. Spare the flames, cuz it's just my opinion.


10 posted on 07/21/2005 6:51:19 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: CHARLITE

who knows a few years down the roadraising kids can change a person


11 posted on 07/21/2005 6:58:59 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: sure_fine

edited: who knows a few years down the road, raising kids can change a person


12 posted on 07/21/2005 6:59:44 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Plus, Congressman, I would hardly call Herbert Hoover leader of a "conservative movement." Hoover was always regarded as a somewhat "Progressive Republican" as opposed to the more forthrightly conservative, limited government envisioned by Calvin Coolidge. Hoover was not really averse to government programs, although he was averse to the wholesale shredding of the Constitution as practiced by the New Deal.


13 posted on 07/21/2005 7:00:55 PM PDT by speedy
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To: Congressman Billybob
When Justice Roberts switched his vote from 5-4 against FDR to 5-4 for him, only then did the court-packing bill die in Congress.""""

Yeah, so what? The writer's point stands - Roberts switched to the liberal position, while the other conservative justices didn't. And he stayed on the liberal side. The fact that he did so as a cave-in to FDR's pressure, doesn't mean he didn't switch. And the writer isn't a "doofus" for pointing out the switch.

Yes, we all can see that you have a knowledge of the 1937 episode. Aren't you bright. But while showing off your knowledge, you don't score any points against the writer.

Actually, the problem with this article is that it doesn't make a convincing case that Roberts won't move to the O'Connorish center or even further left. His whole argument is based on the fact Robert has "hung" with some conservatives. I don't think that proves any more than that he saw his best chance of becoming a Supreme Court Justice was by becoming a reliable lawyer for GOP administrations. It doesn't prove he's conservative.

14 posted on 07/21/2005 7:12:00 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: CHARLITE
For whatever its worth my gut is telling me that Roberts will be a solid conservative with an inclination towards pro business and police power using precedent. I believe he will in most cases adhere only to Constitutional duties outlined in that magnificent document. I don't have the feeling though that he will base his decisions in Natural Law as Justice Thomas seems to. Overall a definite bump to the right, but not necessarily a step towards Classic Liberalism which would require overturning very entrenched precedent....Just my opinion
15 posted on 07/21/2005 7:12:02 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Archon of the East
"Overall a definite bump to the right."

I believe it also. He's definitely going to be to the right of O'Connor, plus I have to laugh at what someone said somewhere.........that O'Connor was qualified to be president of a local small town PTA and that's the limit of her intellectual capacities!

John G. Roberts is an intellectual giant, and I just don't see him drifting left. When one looks back on O'Connor, it seems that it might have been obvious (even back then) that she just didn't have "the right stuff" to be a reliable originalist.

Thanks for your comments, Archon!

Char :)

16 posted on 07/21/2005 7:25:39 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: mabelkitty
Daddy Bush is also famous for giving this reply when asked what was the biggest mistake of his presidency:
"He's sitting on the Supreme Court."

17 posted on 07/21/2005 7:30:10 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: CHARLITE

This guys is just trying to hook some liberal fantasy by comparing apples and oranges.


18 posted on 07/21/2005 7:34:43 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Congressman Billybob

Didn't Dorf do a golf instructional video a while back?


19 posted on 07/21/2005 7:40:50 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: Archon of the East

It may not even be that big of a bump, but I think you're essentially correct.


20 posted on 07/21/2005 7:46:34 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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