Smoke seen in London Train Station.( Explosions reported)

[ConservativeMan55]

Per foxnews

[bernie_g]

They are *trying* to terrorise Britons, it isn't working.

[Chaguito]

I repeat, not all citizens are policemen. And Islam is indeed not the problem -- Muslims are the problem. How do you propose to change their minds?

[artillerylane]

"artillerylane, welcome to FR. There are some complete loons on here. There is no arguing with them."

Thanks for the welcome! I wouldn't normally have raised this issue, but when these things are happening in my home town, I have a stronger-than-usual desire to see the problem engaged with responsibly and effectively. Hurling around blanket accusations just isn't going to help.

[mware]

If all the bombs were make from the same mix and that mix was not prepared correctly, than all the bombs would have been duds.

Lets just thank God that London dodged a bullet today.

[Sacajaweau]

If you approach construction sites where explosives are used, there are notices to turn off radios. We stopped traffic completely while the charges were being set...After loading, the explosive tech ran like hell to the detonator. Kaboom!

[gopwinsin04]

New Scotland Yard on BBC: Lots of forensic evidence recovered from 'incident sites.'

[KC Burke]

Your questions in #1550 are level headed and reasonable. We, that have been on the site during 9/11, the Cole Attack and before, have gone through the process of asking ourselves the same.

Many of us have read and researched Islam and see the differences between it and other large religions in its historical development.

First, it must be understood that when we hear the word "fundamentalist" we think of that in the sense of how that term is used in differintiating Christians. It implies a small percentage.

In Islam, the moderates are the small minority in the Arab world. Wahhabi'ists are the drivers of the Saudi bus, for instance, and actually put the Faud family in place. The great muslim outreach has been in the schools set up by such hard line portions of the main-stream and that is what is being exported to the west.

Secondly, Islam has always been practiced to be a "state religion" and even to serve in lieu of secular government and law. It has always been that way in the Arab world and we see even muslims in Canada (as I recall from a recent story) asking for Shaira law to be applied to them within their own clerical court system and exemptions from secular law. The state then serves to harbor and support and it becomes war "by other means."

We see this in the religious warriors Syria sends out in formal groups but claims no responsibility for and distances themselves from to stay unaccountable.

Read up and you will find that treating the history as though they are a denomination of the Judiac/Chistian world view, like Methodists or Pentacostals is a failure to see the true historical differences.

It is up to western muslims to define their religous community by action in a way that seperates themselves from this history. It is not up to the victims to parse the threat.

Sensible prejudice, as your man Burke taught us, is a natural and a good thing even while true bigotry is not. In our media culture the former is defined as the later to the extent that common sense is abandoned if fear of misidentification.

[Steve_Seattle]

"I don't want to seem argumentative here, but we're talking about - on the one hand - a billion people. And - on the other - twelve years which have resulted in a handful of attacks."

There have been hundreds of attacks worldwide, of varying degree, and there have been hundreds more foiled by authorities. There are radical Islamist cells worldwide, with membership in the hundreds of thousands, including hangers-on, and with millions of dollars at their disposal.

[gopwinsin04]

Sky News had the report of noise coming from St. Pauls.

[softwarecreator]

You signed up TODAY? and throw this stuff around???

Right!

hmmm .... seems that you are being cut a lot of slack here today.  Any other time you'd be slammed as a troll, or whatever because of your argumentative style.

Oh well, welcome to the FR!!

[Diddle E. Squat]

Bomb it, eh? Let's hope nobody is walking by on the street, or in neighboring flats (who BTW might not be thrilled with the collateral damage to their property.)

How about starting by simply raiding, taking those who may have been involved into custody in a sweep, and padlocking the place first? Might be a more rational Day 1 start.

[MizSterious]

Amy Kellog--wish she'd been let go when they let "breathless" Rita go.

[Dog]

This was.....someone just told the population of London they can reach out and touch them.....ANYTIME.

Call it a psy-ops operation.

[rwfromkansas]

Is CBS, ABC, and NBC still having coverage of this?

[Selkie]

artillerylane
Since Jul 21, 2005

[EHC Southern Pride]

Happy to know your safe : )

[TAquinas]

"Unfortunately, it's not a fact. "

It is a fact that in the late 1700s the vast majority of the people in the US were Christians. That numbers has been estimated at 99%.

What you're doing is selecting a few people and say, "see these people were not Christians or were atheist."

You remind me of the Crest commercial years ago, in which it stated that "3 out of 4 dentist recommend Crest toothpaste." What was found out, and the maker of Crest admitted to it, was that they were using a sample of 4 dentist and asking them their preferences for toothpaste. Once they had a sample in which 3 out of 4 respondents preferred Crest toothpaste, they used this to project to the whole dentist population as 3 out of 4 preferring Crest.

It's easy to lie with statistics, you know, and fool the people.

[Dad yer funny]

hey , don't get baited , artillerylane signed up today , "hey troll DROP DEAD"

[Allegra]

NO nekkidity for you while you're there. ;-)

Dang! I never get to have any fun!

(Explosion outside the wall over to the west somewhere just now. But that's not really news.)

[advance_copy]

Negative.