Our Merger with Mexico

World Net Daily ^ | July 20, 2005 | Joseph Farah

[hedgetrimmer]

I would put the open border down to a lack of conviction on the part of both democratic and republican legislators to do anything about it.

Sorry, but you would be wrong. If Congress does anything about it they are violating our trade agreement with Mexico. The trade agreement implements, in phases, WTO rules called Modes. Mode 4 is the 'free movement of persons'. Mexico is exercising the WTO mode 4 rule. This clearly is a case of Congress cowtowing to the internationalists and not representing the American people.

[Little Pig]

I doubt very much whether "mode 4" refers to people crossing at locations other than official border crossing points. I suspect that the designation "free movement of persons" refers to the need (or lack of need) for a passport/visa when going through an official border crossing station.

[Frenetic]

I agree. The only way I'd go for a merger with Mexico would be for Mexico to come under our Constitution, control and annex itself into the US.

Leaving the governments the way the are now but merely opening the border is akin to national suicide. There would need to be huge sweeping reforms within Mexico first and enough time to show that they are a responsible nation for me to feel more at ease with this proposal. 2010 doesn't seem like enough time to me.

[Designer]

"- Yeah, well that will have to happen over my dead body."

Then you'd better get busy , son.

[adorno]

Back in April, on another forum, regarding a discussion about a constitutional convention, I wrote this:

Any future constitutional conventions will most likely have to do with Mexico joining the Union and adding a few states to the U.S. Very likely within the next 50 years. And, probably, a certain runaway province from Canada may also want to become part of the U.S.

Did somebody steal my idea?

[hedgetrimmer]

Read up on it. "free movement of persons" means just that. Mode 4 is implemented in the EU. Thats why, once the terrorists got their bomb making materials into Britain. Once they got it into the EU it traveled through many countries, without official border checks because guess what? THERE ARE NO BORDERS in the EU. Remember? They got rid of them when they formed the EU.

[Scythian]

It's all true, but we'll do nothing about it, like a frog boiling in water, all you can do is sit and watch.

"It is almost a law of history that the same wealth that generates a civilization announces its decay. For wealth produce ease as well as art; it softens a people to the ways of luxury and peace and invites invasion from stronger arms and hungrier mouths."

-- Will Durant

[tailgunner]

Here is the link to the report:
http://www.cfr.org/pub7914/press_release/trinational_call_for_a_north_american_economic_and_security_community_by_2010.php

Click and enjoy!

[reagan_fanatic]

That breeze you feel is the founding fathers spinning in their graves.

It doesn't matter if this is a part of some 'master plan' or not. The simple fact is, at the current rate of illegal immigration into this country, the United States will be completely unrecognizable within the next 20-30 years.

The country that generation after generation before us toiled and struggled for over 200 years to shape and mold into the most powerful nation in the history of the World will be reduced to just another third world basket case.

And that generation 30 years from now can look back and blame our generation for not doing enough to stop it when we still had the chance.

[mo]

In line with W's thinking about these issues, I've always tried to imagine what life might be like for people in the 6 adjacent Mexican border states if annexed by the US. An honest law enforcement, intact, functional DOJ, reasonable taxation etc with the support of the US Marshalls would render those border states a new life within the USA. The concern has always been that most of the world regards the US Constitution and its ideals as a threat, and that any "en mass" changes in sovereignity within the New World would be accompanied by attempts to castrate the Constitution.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Where do you find the energy?

You are really amazing.

I am so out of patience with all these numbskulls.

The worst part is FR is a thousand times more awake and intelligent than the general sheepledom.

We can't get Freepers to open their eyes and look at something when you put it right in front of their face.

What chance do we have with the slumbering sheep?

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

But they aren't talking about annexing, they're talking about merging.

Like a lynchmob, the mergees will sink to a level slightly below the worst participants.

Then wait until they do the double continent zone.

That will be hell on earth.

[KC_for_Freedom]

Why not just add their territory to the US and get it over with. At least the Mexicans and Canadians will be paying for their defense in this senario.

Other advantages would be bringing the rule of law to the area of contracts between individuals. Then you would see US capital flow into these "territories" and improvements being made. How do we get the corrupt government of Mexico and the European government of Canada to petition for statehood? Or should we awaken Andrew Jackson?

[Little Pig]

According to WTO/GATS documents, Mode 4 allows for a person or persons to go to another country to provide specific services on-site at a business. The example given is a Malaysian company hiring a British consulting firm, and having one of the British consultants travel to Malaysia to assist on-site. It says nothing about allowing unrestricted movement of persons across a national border bypassing legal customs facilities.

[hedgetrimmer]

Yes.

The "territory" has to vote to become a state. Mexico is not a territory of the US right now, as far as I know, and I doubt that the people of Mexico would vote to become a state of the United States, there's way too much national pride in that country.

So the stealthy internationalists just use "free trade" to eliminate borders. By the time the people wake up, their country will be gone.

[johnb838]

It's so funny that all I ever see is the movements of MEXICANS back and forth. AMERICANS are learning it's a better idea not to go to that benighted "country".

I don't think this will happen. I don't think this is any more likely than Israel and Palestine, two sovereign neighbors living side-by-side in peace and security. Why? Because the palis and the mexis can't handle it. All they know how to do is take. And that means they will blow any kind of deal or arrangement we make with them, no matter how many chances we give them to get it right.

And they have nothing to offer but death, disease, and despair. We're onto them. We aren't going back to sleep. We're not going away on this. We the people will win on this even if it takes 10 years and we have to turn the entire government over to do it. It's that serious, and people are united arouond this.

[hedgetrimmer]

Where do you find the energy?

When I think of our soldiers in Iraq and overseas, our Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines and yes, the Coast Guard, who pledge their lives to defend the Constitution, I get energized.

When I think of American children, and their children to come, I get energized.

I fear for them all. I don't want our people, AMERICANS, to die defending liberty and freedom, if we have none left for them when they return.

[hedgetrimmer]

"I've always tried to imagine what life might be like for people in the 6 adjacent Mexican border states if annexed by the US"

We cannot "annex" provinces or states in another country. That would be an act of war. If the people of those states voted to become states in the US, they would be seceding from Mexico. I am certain the Mexican government has authority to quell secession and won't let that happen without war.

The only recourse the internationalists have is the stealthy devious death of nations by "free trade". It is the method of choice since Lenin wrote a paper on it in 1929, describing how the Soviet Union could take over Europe without war. The EU is nothing more than a soviet of socialist states. But the fly in the Russian's ointment, is that the EU won't let Russia in, precisely because of Lenin's postulations on the takeover of Europe.

[hedgetrimmer]

We have everything and they have nothing

What? Mexico has more billionaires than most nations on this earth. What do you mean they have nothing?

[hedgetrimmer]

Then you would see US capital flow into these "territories" and improvements being made

This is already happening without annexation due to "free trade" and something called Foreign Direct Investment. The "free trade" agreements effectively put the wealth of the American taxpayer up as collateral to companies investing in foreign countries under FDI. They use OPIC and other agencies to make sure that if a company should lose their assets in the foreign country, they will be reimbursed entirely by the paycheck to paycheck US taxpayer. Absolutely horrifically corrupt is the idea of the FDI.