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U.S. Republicans Introduce Tough Immigration Bill
WASHINGTONPOST.COM ^ | July 19, 2005 | Alan Elsner

Posted on 07/20/2005 7:01:09 AM PDT by kellynla

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - All of the estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal aliens in the United States would have to leave the country under an immigration bill introduced on Tuesday by two conservative Republican senators.

The bill by Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl and Texas Sen. John Cornyn is a tougher alternative to a rival bipartisan bill introduced two month ago that would allow some illegals to get jobs legally and eventually gain citizenship without leaving the country.

The Kyl-Cornyn bill calls for the creation of a machine-readable, tamper-proof Social Security card that would be issued to every American in the workforce to prevent illegals from getting jobs.

It would also fund the hiring of 10,000 new Department of Homeland Security personnel dedicated to weeding illegal immigrants out of the workforce and an additional 1,000 for detecting immigration fraud.

Companies that hired illegal immigrants would face tough fines.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; bordersecurity; borderxxi; bushamnesty; cafta; cfr; cornyn; foreignrelations; ftaa; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; invasionusa; kyl
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To: BostonianRightist

Alot closer than Montana, try Virginia.


61 posted on 07/20/2005 8:44:50 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"Close the borders, round up the invaders or be impeached."

I agree, if Clinton were in office now in the middle of a war with nonexistant border security conservatives would rightfully be calling for his head on a stick. This is too big of a security issue to let any president get away with ignoring, let alone promoting the illegal invasion of our country during war time.

62 posted on 07/20/2005 8:46:13 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: kellynla

What are you nuts?
Al Gore didn't clearly try to steal the election in 2000?
Those hanging chads came from dem officials punching piles of ballots at a time for the goron.


Where where you?

In 04, the dems stole washington state, Chicago, and several other dem controlled ares, with bribes, ballot fixing and more.

The shock is that the pubs have done and said nothing.


63 posted on 07/20/2005 8:46:57 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: BostonianRightist
"In order to keep from being deported, an illegal will evade law enforcement"

Of course, and that is why enforcement is paramount!!
All of this is for nil if we don't enforce the laws, secure the borders and fine employers who hire illegals...
but if we don't, then you and I and every other American can bend over and kiss our collective areses good bye!

"EVERYTHING is forgeable"

maybe, but I haven't read of any of the new driver's licenses being forged?
This is out of my expertise but like the new currency, I haven't heard or read of it being counterfeited and ID's with a microchip could be made that are not "forge-able."

but as we found out on 9/11, what we've been doing has not worked!
64 posted on 07/20/2005 8:51:41 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

10-12 million would have to go back? That'd get about half of them. A good start none the less though.


65 posted on 07/20/2005 8:53:41 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: conservativewasp

As appealling as your gun laws sound, I just can't live below the Mason-Dixon Line. Things move way too slow down there, I need things to happen quick fast and in a hurry.


66 posted on 07/20/2005 8:56:40 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

"Al Gore didn't clearly try to steal the election in 2000?"

and the operative word was "try" to steal...
and he wasn't successful now was he.

as far as WA state & Chicago, the GOP just needs to do a better job of getting out the vote(as you correctly noted the operative words were and are "dem controlled"...and there may be and are areas where the GOP has not and may not win races for some time...but to make a blanket statement and say the last two electios were "fraudulent" is stupid. No election has never been perfect and there have always been fraudulent votes and we can continue to try and prevent future fraud but democratic elections are one hellofalot better than anything else out there.


67 posted on 07/20/2005 9:00:31 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: conservativewasp; BostonianRightist

I'd move to beautiful Virginia in a minute if the wife would only get over wanting to live in the bolshevik state of Rogue's island.


68 posted on 07/20/2005 9:01:20 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: conservativewasp
I agree. A drivers license is just that. It was never meant to be used as a national ID card. We need a national ID card on the same level as a passport
69 posted on 07/20/2005 9:04:45 AM PDT by ghitma (Lifter)
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To: conservativewasp
To hell with the fears of a national ID card.

Funny, that's the place where the idea for a national I.D. card originates. Just how will this bill stop the real sources of employment for illegals? Agriculture is by it's very definition both transient and seasonal. I doubt very much if ligitimate workers in the fields have ID. Too poor. What about all those folks who employ domestic help? Like US Senators and Congress-critters? Then there is the multi-billion dollar illegal sex trade. How is a national ID going to stop those folks? Yet you would just open those doors up wide for a totalitarian government to take over the country and oh yes grease the rails for the rise of the AntiChrist.

70 posted on 07/20/2005 9:08:03 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: kellynla

When the entire media (except fox) is screaming about republican thievery as whole districts are stolen by the dems, that's a fraudulent election.

Letting it go will not stop it. It will only get worse.

We'll see how Hillary does it in 08.


71 posted on 07/20/2005 9:08:43 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: kellynla
I agree that law enforcement is the only way illegals will actually be deported. But I don't think that forcing every American citizen to carry around their citizen ID card is the way to go. Think of how easily the gov't could abuse that power.

The new currency has already been counterfeited. I don't know about new licenses (driver's licenses are run by the states), but college kids every where know how to get fake driver's licenses.

If those cards have a computer chip in them, it will have two effects: 1. it will be harder to counterfiet and 2. it will be easier for the government to abuse the power. With a computer chip in the card, the government can track where you are and where you've been, when you were there, and who you were near. Now what if your card is stolen? There's just too many problems for me to accept it.

And there's so much corruption inside the government that there's no way to ensure that nothing will be mistreated, and certainly no way to make sure illegals aren't getting cards anyway.

72 posted on 07/20/2005 9:16:33 AM PDT by BostonianRightist (I don't trust a government I can't shoot back at.)
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To: kellynla
"EVERYTHING is forgeable"

****

maybe, but I haven't read of any of the new driver's licenses being forged?

About one year ago, a local office (suburban area near New Orleans) of the state Department of Motor Vehicles was burglarized. This office is located in a strip of small retail shops, under a common roof. The thieves broke into the vacant shop next door and cut right through the wall.

What would the DMV office have that was worth the effort? The computer, digital camera, printer/laminating machine and several boxes of blank license forms, that's what. The DMV employees arrived the next morning to find ALL of the equipment gone.

The office in question just so happens to be in a heavily Hispanic part of town. Perhaps that's just an interesting coincidence - but then again, maybe not. In any case, you can bet that there are license forgeries out there.

73 posted on 07/20/2005 9:20:11 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: kellynla; FBD; All
Dean: Immigrants are GOP's 2006 foil

74 posted on 07/20/2005 9:24:28 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: BostonianRightist

I was just thinking, I don't believe credit cards have been forged?
of course we know that they have been stolen but I don't believe they have been forged...

I understand and appreciate your point about the national ID's but we live in a verrrrrry dangerous world now and we have to protect ourselves and our families and we have to "take out the trash"or leave ourselves open to more 9/11's or WORSE!

It's just gotten too expensive to allow illegals and too dangerous to allow terrorists to stay here


75 posted on 07/20/2005 9:24:46 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Charles Martel

simple solution,

you run the license/ID on the computer that every officer in
America has in his/her vehicle and if it comes up BOGUS you arrest the clown...

next case...


76 posted on 07/20/2005 9:27:23 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
You two are rabidly delusional.

I'll tell you something up front: I'd much rather deal with a national id that DOES something about the REALITY of immigration failure, than your delusions about the MIGHTS and MAYBEs of a national id card.

One is a problem that exists and one is a problem that doesn't exist.

77 posted on 07/20/2005 9:37:24 AM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: America's Resolve
Not that I think this bill has a CHANCE of passing.

I'm all for it though.

78 posted on 07/20/2005 9:39:08 AM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: America's Resolve

...You two are rabidly delusional...

From you, I'll take that as a compliment.

You look out a window but you don't see past the glass.

Learn to look deeper, grasshopper.


79 posted on 07/20/2005 9:41:27 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search CFR North American Community.)
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To: BostonianRightist

easy to criticize...as we've learned from the 'Rats..

do you have a better solution?

because what we have been doing is not working
and we can't continue to allow illegals and terrorists to roam the country unabated...


80 posted on 07/20/2005 10:03:15 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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