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AP: William Westmoreland dead
Associated Press | July 18, 2005

Posted on 07/18/2005 7:57:49 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War

breaking, more to come


TOPICS: Announcements; Breaking News; Extended News
KEYWORDS: ap; koreanwarvet; obituary; rip; veteran; vietnamveteran; westmoreland; ww2vet; wwiivet
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To: Dont Mention the War
RIP my fellow South Carolinian.
You did your best under the circumstances.
Prayers for your family.
261 posted on 07/19/2005 4:23:51 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: Dont Mention the War; umgud; Flux Capacitor; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; billnaz; joesnuffy; ...
I thank all you Vietnam Veterans here at Free Republic, and I say "Welcome Home!"

Tonkin posted this link awhile back about a great event coming up in Las Vegas. I intend to go, so FReepmail me if you're going too:

http://welcomehome.aviationnation.org/

262 posted on 07/19/2005 4:33:14 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day: God be with you, Sarge and Kids.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Godspeed good old soldier. I served under you. I repect only one man more, my father. You'll meet him now Sir, in the arms of The Lord.

This is like losing an old Ranger buddy, sad. I never thought he would die. He was bigger than life and a great commanding General for the fight that they had given him. All the troops loved Westie, he was a GI's General.

Lastly....General, Sir we NEVER lost a battle, you and I, we NEVER lost the war. It was the cowards that lost the fight to keep those people free. God bless you and keep you,......forever.

263 posted on 07/19/2005 4:34:43 PM PDT by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: zarf; ALOHA RONNIE; Ragtime Cowgirl; mhking; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...

Bump & ping to post and earlier posts within thread.

(How I do it is click on reply-to posts within threads)


264 posted on 07/19/2005 4:35:13 PM PDT by JLO
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To: ExcursionGuy84

You could just about hear the moanings of the Once Great Commie Generals and Admirals as our real Generals and Admirals with the best Army, Marines, Air Force and Navy people in the history of the world sliced and diced the supposedly great Iranian Army.

As you noted we sliced them into pie, I would say mincemeat and squirted whip cream on them.

What was done in our second war with Iraq was again amazing. That will be the prototype of any future land wars.


265 posted on 07/19/2005 4:42:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM is trying to make us believe, Judith Miller is in jail to protect Karl Rove!)
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To: La Enchiladita
Tonkin posted this link awhile back about a great event coming up in Las Vegas. I intend to go...

Hey I didn't know you were going to this, maybe we can meet you up there! :)

266 posted on 07/19/2005 5:00:38 PM PDT by Ros42
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To: GOP_1900AD
That's a bit exagerated. Certainly, like the Communist Red Chinese, Vietnam has seen the value of allowing industry to interact with the West, and to allow partnerships with Western companies. But the Communist Party still controls the political space of Vietnam, still tortures, maims and kills people and still holds the goal of the defeat of the West.

Well basically that's what I was trying to say. We are now even negotiating to get the base at Cam Ranh Bay back. They fear the Chicoms as much as anyone. But that having been said, life still sucks for the people of Vietnam. But for Vietnam to be a threat, they needed the backing of a power the likes of the Soviet Union, which they don't have anymore.

267 posted on 07/19/2005 5:11:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: zarf
"We owe them all a debt, yet the ambiguity as to the sacrifice of Vietnam leaves me with a feeling of great sadness."

Yet it didn't stop you from sliming them. They died for nothing, as you stated.

269 posted on 07/19/2005 5:27:22 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: zarf

“God knows, I salute all the vets who have sacrificed for this country. That does not change my opinion about the folly of Vietman.
It was a wasteful, unessessary war littered with the broken bodies of men who, IMHO, died in vain.”


Your original expression was: "56,000 dead. For nothing."

You label answering the call of our nation and making the ultimate sacrifice “nothing”? Seems to me that you are reluctant to admit that your statement was rather cruel and stupid.

If you meant, as in your reply to me, that these patriots died in vain, then that presupposes that you have a clairvoyant view of history as it unfolds, knowing that during that period some goal in your mind was to be achieved.

I can understand those that did not agree that we should have gone to the Nam. That is a different discussion, not one that is germane to the manor in which you expressed yourself, which is, in essence, calling all those that went there, and especially those that died, fools.

Some advice jerk, just drop out of site for a while before you really start pissing people off.


270 posted on 07/19/2005 6:31:06 PM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: Marine_Uncle
I was refering to the Paris Peace Accord 1973.

Sorry...I also assumed, and wasn't clear enough on the point I was making. I was saying that the "negotiated peace" was pretty clearly a win for our enemy.

271 posted on 07/19/2005 6:41:42 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

"I was saying that the "negotiated peace" was pretty clearly a win for our enemy"
Yes from a political standpoint. Agree. They got what they
wanted, without being blasted out of existence.


272 posted on 07/19/2005 6:55:17 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: FMBass

No kidding.

I smell something. I sure never encounterd this guy before.


273 posted on 07/19/2005 6:56:30 PM PDT by JLO
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To: JLO

“No kidding. I smell something. I sure never encounterd this guy before.”


I’m hoping that this guy is some immature kid posting.

More I fear, it is the smell of that liberal attitude of the “me” generation. Lip service to patriotism, screw you, as long as I end up on top.

This guy has me here shaking my head in utter disgust. I am absolutely beside myself at the moment.


274 posted on 07/19/2005 7:08:07 PM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thanks for the link – may get there!


275 posted on 07/19/2005 7:19:02 PM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: FMBass

Yes, I agree.



More I fear, it is the smell of that liberal attitude of the “me” generation. Lip service to patriotism, screw you, as long as I end up on top.


276 posted on 07/19/2005 8:34:53 PM PDT by JLO (oK,)
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To: zarf

STFU!

You were warned more than once.

Don't badmouth service veterans.

You deserve a hosing and or banning.

JLO


277 posted on 07/19/2005 8:42:29 PM PDT by JLO (oK,)
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To: FMBass
I can understand those that did not agree that we should have gone to the Nam. That is a different discussion, not one that is germane to the manor in which you expressed yourself...

Point well taken. I appreciate the emotions of the responses and should have said it differently.

278 posted on 07/19/2005 8:44:05 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf; All

I've been following this thread off and on since it was posted. Without taking sides in the debate, zarf has been civil from the beginning and, in the American tradition, I defend his right to speak.

Nam 67 and 69/70.


279 posted on 07/19/2005 8:58:22 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: ExSoldier
I disagree. We learned a vital and bloody lesson there and it was a time of recent history that can be pointed to when folks want to know what it's like to have a Democrat President in charge of a war effort. More can look to Somalia and Bosnia. But most important of all, the folks who were Second Lieutenants then are the Generals now and their solemn vow of NEVER AGAIN was well and truly manifested in Grenada, Panama, and both Gulf Wars.

Very true. The rub is can we trust the wisdom of the civilian leadership to learn those same lessons? Clearly GWB has....would a Hillary Clinton (god for bid)?

280 posted on 07/19/2005 9:15:17 PM PDT by zarf
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