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Killers may have been duped
News.com.au ^ | 7/17/05 | Staff

Posted on 07/17/2005 8:03:04 AM PDT by DogBarkTree

BRITISH police are considering the possibility that the four key suspects in last week's London attacks may have been tricked into setting off their bombs, a newspaper has reported.

"We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers," a Scotland Yard spokesman told The Sunday Telegraph. "It is possible that they did not intend to die." According to the paper, one police hypothesis is that the bombers were tricked by a "master" who told them they would have time to escape - when in fact the devices were set to go off immediately.

"The bombers' masters might have thought that they couldn't risk the four men being caught and spilling everything to British interrogators," an unnamed security official told the Telegraph.

Lending weight to the theory is the fact that all four men had paid up their parking tickets before boarding a train at Luton for King's Cross, and that they all bought return tickets to the capital.

Moreover, the paper said, the men were carrying their explosives inside rucksacks, as opposed to strapped to their bodies as is common practice among suicide bombers.

None were reported to have cried "Allah Akbar" (God is Greatest) before setting off their charge - something which most Middle Eastern suicide bombers do.


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To: cripplecreek
"I really couldn't care less if they were "duped" into blowing themselves up."

I don't either. Their clear intention was to kill many innocent civilians.

I do want to know who was the religious leader who set them up though...if that's what happened.

121 posted on 07/17/2005 1:20:52 PM PDT by blam
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

"Did the hijackers actually think they would survive after flying a plane into the twin towers and the Pentagon? I don't think so."

The point I think is that they didn't all know that was what was happening.


122 posted on 07/17/2005 1:32:27 PM PDT by Canard
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To: SamAdams76
If true, this tactic is unlikely to work next time around.

It's apparently worked several times before - though usually at least the leader of the team knows, like the ones who flew the planes into the WTC and Pentagon.

123 posted on 07/17/2005 1:42:12 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: DogBarkTree
Very common to do what this article supposes. Give the trigger man a "smoke bomb" to cover his escape with dense smoke, but, surprise, it ain't smoke.

Trigger men are notorious for spilling the beans when caught. The solution is to kill them, often when giving them their "pay". Another traditional time is when they run up to get into the "escape car". You get the idea.

The bombers were easily identified by the ubiquitous television cameras in London. Only sure way to keep them silent is to kill them.
124 posted on 07/17/2005 2:36:37 PM PDT by Iris7 ("What fools these mortals be!" - Puck, in "Midsummer Night's Dream")
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To: DogBarkTree

I think they left their ID so the British could see their own vulnerabilities.


125 posted on 07/17/2005 2:40:02 PM PDT by mlmr (CHICKIE-POO!)
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To: cripplecreek
"We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers,"

Make that two asprin and a drink.

126 posted on 07/17/2005 2:42:31 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: SunnyUsa
I might have been wrong about hearing it on FOX, perhaps I did read it. I found this:

http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=161629&command=displayContent&sourceNode=161359&contentPK=12833242

127 posted on 07/17/2005 5:04:52 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Apparently mostly the ones in the cockpit knew. The rest thought they were on an ordinary type hijack. That according
to Osama himself, laughing at his useful idiots. There was a video to go with that comment.

Osama bin laden builds day care centers Patty Murray (D WA)


128 posted on 07/17/2005 5:05:12 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Jim_Curtis

By the way, I guess it could have been the guy with the trigger who made the comment ( assuming there is something to the theory but it's a bit hard to imagine that it was being kept secret from the bomb carrier but the trigger guy just can't resist telling passengers that they are about to die.


129 posted on 07/17/2005 5:13:43 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: SamAdams76

My thought as well...although who knows how the minds of these people work and how easily they can be conned?

(In the meanime Sam- how bout those Red Sox?!)


130 posted on 07/17/2005 5:16:47 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve)
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To: krb

Once the word is out, it ought to give future volunteers pause for thought about placing too much trust in the promises of their "master", hmmm?


131 posted on 07/17/2005 5:20:40 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: DogBarkTree
This is much more important than it may seem.

We all must understand that our enemy's only hope in defeating us lies in instilling FEAR to cause our fifth columns within our countries to overcome our political will.

Osama knew that the suicide mission supplies a geometric augmentation in the fear factor of any attack.

It is precisely the suicide factor which causes abject fear, defeatism, and self-flagellation within the weak-minded. A remote detonation such as the Madrid bombings can be effective, but sends a message of weakness to the audience in this macabre play, the vaunted "Arab street" from which the jihadis derive their power. A remote detonation is seen by its targeted populace as a weapon several rungs down the scale as something to fear, and more importantly, is seen as cowardly by the Arab mindset.

The attempt to portray this as a suicide mission when it may not have been shows the frustration and ineptitude within the enemy camp, and puts the bright light at the end of the tunnel for our side.

They will lose, and they; know it, if these attacks are revealed to be remote detonations, IMHO.

132 posted on 07/17/2005 5:43:44 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Ichneumon
But if they were also dupes, it's an interesting piece of information in a number of ways.

Interesting to whom? I am not concerned with the whys and what fors when it comes to these pigs. I'm interested in defeating and destroying them.

133 posted on 07/17/2005 5:45:39 PM PDT by edpc
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To: wayoverontheright

I have to agree with you. Fewer suicide bombers of late could be a sign their side could be weakening. Still, one suicide bomber is 1 too many.


134 posted on 07/17/2005 5:57:43 PM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: Jim_Curtis
Wow! Thanks for finding that link...I had tried to google news something on it, but had no luck.

That is very creepy, and I wonder if the teen girl "Naima Aboulachouaq" is a muslim? Maybe he felt compelled to tell her.

I hope they are "looking" to see if they captured him on their cameras too.

135 posted on 07/17/2005 6:19:20 PM PDT by SunnyUsa (No man really becomes a fool until he stops asking questions.)
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To: SunnyUsa
That is a good question, if she is Muslim. I'm asking the same question about her boyfriend:

She said: "I owe everything to my boyfriend. I was ready to board the first carriage but he said to go on the second."

136 posted on 07/17/2005 7:10:56 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: DogBarkTree

I assume this was done, in case the plan had to be aborted...or their bomb didn't explode. I'm assuming even terrorists have a plan B or exit strategy.


137 posted on 07/17/2005 8:20:37 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: DogBarkTree

Awwwwww...wait!
They didn't want to be SUICIDE bombers, just BOMBER bombers?
That's much better, isn't it?
I feel all safe and comfy now!
</sarcasm>


138 posted on 07/17/2005 8:23:29 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: livius

Now wait! You take that back!
Wookiees aren't terrorists! The Anti-Wookiee-Defamation-Squad will be after you!


139 posted on 07/17/2005 8:24:48 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: edpc
[But if they were also dupes, it's an interesting piece of information in a number of ways.]

Interesting to whom?

To people who want to know exactly what's going on.

I am not concerned with the whys and what fors when it comes to these pigs. I'm interested in defeating and destroying them.

This kind of information is critical when it comes to being able to "defeat and destroy them", but I won't waste any more time explaining to you how that works.

140 posted on 07/18/2005 2:45:56 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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