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I am concerned this situation may slide into anarchy.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 07/16/2005 3:44:05 PM PDT by MadIvan
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The bombings disrupted travel for employment and worship for millions of others.

Unless these acts are counted as the "hate crimes" that they really are, I see no reason why anyone should get his thing in a bunch over a couple of mosque markups.

39 posted on 07/16/2005 4:22:00 PM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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Muslim leaders have called for calm and have unequivocally condemned the London attacks.

I would love to see a neutral documentation of this.
There has never, to my knowledge, been a single unconditional condemnation of a mass murder attack by any sandmaggot groups or persons of authority.

Has never happened.

40 posted on 07/16/2005 4:22:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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Dont use violence, just deport all Muslims to their "holy" Saudi Arabia.. even though, not all of them are terrorists, they dont seem to contribute much to the British society.. You could take in poor christian Nigerians or Kenyans instead of Muslims from third world hell holes.
47 posted on 07/16/2005 4:28:08 PM PDT by Analog Artist (My thoughts are like silvery liquid metal floating through infinite white space in zero gravity..)
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As if the terrorist bomings in London weren't "hate crimes".


49 posted on 07/16/2005 4:29:16 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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They ought to be banned world wide from boarding any aircraft.


55 posted on 07/16/2005 4:45:28 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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The authorities normally deal with about 50-60 similar incidents a week.

So there is a vicious murderous series of suicide bombings and only a tenfold increase in so-called "incidents"? I would say the British people are showing remarkable restraint.

56 posted on 07/16/2005 4:54:37 PM PDT by montag813
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Are you worried about the radical Islamics will duke it out with rowdy folks?

I agree, taking matters in your own hands isn't going to help anything.

58 posted on 07/16/2005 5:07:41 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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Great news....

I always dread the morning paper with the never ending news of more Islamic inhumanity....but this is a joy......

I love retribution rather than "hat in hand" subservience so common in western society.

Winston had it right.....my top hero as an American.

59 posted on 07/16/2005 5:07:48 PM PDT by squirt-gun
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How strange that it isn't happening to Zoroastrians. What do you suppose could be the reason? </sarcasm>
62 posted on 07/16/2005 5:18:21 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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About 500 faith-hate and race-hate crimes — ranging from arson attacks on mosques to Muslim women being spat at in the street — have been reported in Britain since the London bombings, writes Dipesh Gadher.

I say, old chap, wherever is your famous ever-proper manner? I am truly horrified at this indecorous behavior.

Carry on my boy. Carry on.


64 posted on 07/16/2005 5:27:49 PM PDT by hardworking (Re-elect Hitlery and save money on redecorating the White House - she can bring the stuff back)
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Muslins are a bunch of inbred mongrels.....!


66 posted on 07/16/2005 5:33:46 PM PDT by thinking
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I suspect that, given time, the British people will respond much like the American people did after 9/11. There was much talk of vengeance but little happened here. That is the one thing Bush never got credit for. His standing in the Mosque shortly after the attacks saved a lot of innocent mooslimes. But then our enemies will never give him credit for anything.

THERE IS THE WAR OF COURSE....but little violence against that group of people here.


72 posted on 07/16/2005 5:49:57 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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Keep up the pressure, with a bit of luck a large number might just up and go home!

This is what the clerics are telling them in Australia:


Narrated Samara bin Jundub, Allah's Messenger (s.a.w.) said:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.asp?ID=12226&commentID=260388 (snip)

" Anybody (from among the Muslims) who meets, gathers together, lives, and stays with a Mushrik, and agrees to his ways, opinions, etc. and enjoys his living with him (Mushrik) then he (that Muslim) is like him (Mushrik)" [Sunan Abu Dawud - The Book of Jihad]



There is a def ence that can be applied that will render every effort by the Kuffar useless, and serve to keep our Islamic identity intact. This defence is knowledge. The Muslim should arm himself with a correct Aqeedah and an awareness of what it means to be Muslim. Any attack, any attempt to subvert or mislead will then be in vain. If the Muslim knows the true nature of this society and if he can see how it is designed to mislead, then he will not fall into its traps. This ability to distinguish from right and wrong and chose right, comes from a correct Aqeedah.



The strength of the family unit is also a defence. The father is the shepherd of the household and like any other shepherd he should protect his flock from the wolves. In this case the wolves are the Kuffar, and the protection is to pass the knowledge ont o the children and his wives. The children should be provided with a sound Islamic education outside of their schooling. This is imperative if the children are to be strong enough to avoid the many pitfalls they w ill face. They should be taught that the only truth in this world is the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and that all else must be judged against these two noble criterion.



Finally there is a solution guaranteed to remove the risks, and that is to remove oneself from amongst the disbelievers.



It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that o f fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim lan d whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.



By Br. Amir Abdullah


79 posted on 07/16/2005 7:44:16 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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Since only a month or so after 9/11, I have been writing about the concept that we will inevitably slip back into the Dark Ages - with city-states, walled cities, and smaller "nations" - where people trust only those who they personally know and are willing to kill the rest - unless ALL civilized nations band together to condemn, and defeat terrorism from anybody.

I really mean it. I do NOT believe that is mere hyperbole.

This isn't either:

Jihad is WWIII
80 posted on 07/16/2005 8:49:44 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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I am concerned this situation may slide into anarchy.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but a little anarchy may be needed to see the foe we are all up against.

I'm waiting for our anarchy to start here and I'm 'not' dreading it.

81 posted on 07/16/2005 8:50:21 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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Recently, here in VA, someone left a burnt koran on the doorstep of a masque. Local politicians and law enforcement had their panties in a bunch, believing it to be a "hate crime", all this on the heals of the koran desecration claims at Gitmo. Turns out that it was left by a student going back to Pakistan, it was damaged in a house fire, and he wanted it disposed of in an "approved" way.

(I wonder if the same politicians and law enforcement officials would do the same for a burnt Bible left on a church step....)
83 posted on 07/16/2005 8:58:33 PM PDT by dirtbiker (Solution for Terrorism: Nuke 'em 'till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!)
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It's hard to kow how far this would go. We had our own retaliation crimes after 9/11. Some poor Seik was murdered in cold blood in Arizona. Fortunately, this kind of thing was not rampant.


84 posted on 07/16/2005 9:11:03 PM PDT by GVnana
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George Bush and the GOP congress are taking our homeland down the same wretched path as "Eurabia". These are the LEGAL immigration figures for their massive importation of Islam into our country. Figures are up from these 2002 numbers.

Birth
Country
Legal USA Immigrants
2002
Muslim population percentage Estimated 2002 Muslim Legal Immigrants
Pakistan          9,415               97                9,133
Iran          7,230               99                7,158
India        50,228               14                7,032
Philippines        45,250               14                6,335
Nigeria          7,872               75                5,904
Ethiopia          6,635               65                4,313
Bangladesh          4,616               85                3,924
Egypt          3,348               94                3,147
Morocco          3,137               99                3,096
Turkey          3,029             100                3,023
Jordan          2,927               95                2,781
Albania          3,362               75                2,522
Russia        13,935               18                2,508
Somalia          2,444             100                2,444
Iraq          2,450               97                2,377
Lebanon          2,956               70                2,069
Syria          1,938               90                1,744
Indonesia          1,805               95                1,715
Sudan          1,883               85                1,601
Yemen          1,382               99                1,368
Ghana          4,410               30                1,323
Uzbekistan          1,445               88                1,272
Afghanistan          1,252             100                1,252
Guyana          6,809               15                1,021
Sierra Leone          1,492               65                   970
Kenya          3,209               30                   947
Algeria             759               99                   751
Niger             808               91                   735
Saudi Arabia             735             100                   735
Romania          3,655               20                   731
Azerbaijan             746               93                   697
Togo          1,187               55                   653
Kuwait             707               89                   629
Malaysia          1,200               52                   624
Serbia and Mont.          2,994               19                   569
Bulgaria          3,825               14                   536
Liberia          1,766               30                   530
Cameroon             927               55                   510
Senegal             522               95                   496
Eritrea             556               80                   445
Thailand          3,126               14                   438
Israel          2,741               14                   384
UAE             380               96                   365
Tanzania             554               65                   360
Tunisia             353               98                   346
Cote d'Ivoire             483               60                   290
Kyrgyzstan             356               76                   271
United Kingdom          9,527                3                   257
Macedonia             653               30                   196
Germany          5,064                3                   172
Canada        11,350                1                   168
France          2,375                7                   166
Uganda             455               36                   164
Libya             140             100                   140
Mauritania             131             100                   131
Guinea-Bissau             176               70                   123
Fiji          1,095               11                   120
Burma          1,193               10                   119
Tajikistan             137               85                   116
Sri Lanka          1,246                9                   112
Mali             124               90                   112
Singapore             582               17                    99
Nepal          2,095                4                    84
Georgia             735               11                    81
Oman              76             100                    76
Turkmenistan              84               87                    73
Qatar              72             100                    72
Argentina          3,129                2                    63
Japan          5,971                1                    60
Bahrain              59             100                    59
Zimbabwe             358               15                    54
Panama          1,164                4                    47
Suriname             180               25                    45
South Africa          2,210                2                    44
Zambia             280               15                    42
Cyprus             123               33                    41
Australia          1,836                2                    38
Brazil          6,331                1                    38
Hong Kong          3,574                1                    36
Sweden             963                4                    35
Burkina Faso              60               50                    30
Netherlands             981                3                    29
Guinea              29               95                    28
Cambodia          2,263                1                    23
Malawi              62               35                    22
Italy          1,644                1                    16
Djibouti              16               94                    15
Maldives              15             100                    15
Burundi              74               20                    15
Angola              59               25                    15
Croatia          1,153                1                    14
Brunei              20               63                    13
Benin              76               15                    11
Mauritius              57               20                    11
Mozambique              36               29                    10
Greece             651                2                    10
Madagascar              40               20                      8
Chad                8               85                      7
Mongolia             153                4                      6
Malta              37               14                      5
Norway             320                2                      5
Cen. African Rep.                6               55                      3
Comoros                3               86                      3
Swaziland              23               10                      2
Namibia              40                5                      2
Aruba              27                5                      1
Botswana              27                5                      1
United States              32                4                      1
Rwanda             109                1                      1
Bhutan              15                5                      1
Slovenia              64                1                      1
Reunion                3               20                      1
Lesotho                5               10                      1
TOTAL              95,577

94 posted on 07/17/2005 8:13:15 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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Just what the Islamofascists intended.

They will not tolerate peave between Islam and Non-Islam.

97 posted on 07/17/2005 8:33:22 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (BOHICA!)
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Leed is pretty rough


101 posted on 07/17/2005 3:35:22 PM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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