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Conservatives: No to Gonzales
Human Events ^ | Jul 15, 2005 | John Gizzi

Posted on 07/16/2005 8:21:39 AM PDT by kellynla

A broad spectrum of nationally recognized conservative leaders is sending a clear message to President Bush: Please, don’t nominate Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales to the U.S. Supreme Court.

From former presidential candidate and now American Conservative Editor Pat Buchanan to Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol, the movement seems to be speaking with one voice.

“If the President picked Gonzales, it would break the hearts of conservatives,” Buchanan told Human Events. “The appointment would be the deflation of the whole conservative movement, because the activists would feel that the President had surrendered to [liberal Democratic Senators Chuck] Schumer [N.Y.] and [Teddy] Kennedy [Mass.]. And it would be the beginning of the end for Bush among his base, not unlike his father’s breaking his no-new-taxes pledge spelled his defeat in 1992.”

Kristol agreed. “Conservatives would be demoralized by a Gonzales appointment,” he said. Bush, Kristol added, would “pay a price, substantively and politically, if he were to name Gonzales. Reversing the trend on the Supreme Court has been such a core cause for the conservative movement for more than 40 years. Nixon tried but had [1969 appointee Clement] Haynsworth rejected by the Senate, and Reagan had Bork rejected by the Senate. The Democrats controlled the Senate in both cases, but today, it would be out of the question if a Republican President and a Republican Senate could not get through a nominee to click the court to the constitutional side.”

Noting that the court has been a helpful issue for Republicans in recent elections, Kristol pointed out that Bush’s nomination of Gonzales “would intensify the fact he is a lameduck, because he would no longer be seen as the leader of the conservative movement.”

(Excerpt) Read more at humaneventsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: courts; gonzales; gonzalesvsowens; judicialnominees; propertyrights; rogersbrown; scotus; supremes; weakonpropertyrights
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To: nathanbedford

Beautiful park and you might be interested in the Memphis
"Nathan Bedford Forrest Camp 215" of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Here is their link:
http://www.tennessee-scv.org/ForrestCamp215/


21 posted on 07/16/2005 9:32:59 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: advance_copy; cloud8
Pat Buchanan is not a conservative, he just plays one on TV.

According to a lot of old conservatives I know, that is a sentiment more accurately and appropriately attributed to the present gang of phony conservatives that have commandeered the GOP.

22 posted on 07/16/2005 9:41:52 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: kellynla

I agree about Buchanan, but I think the point the article is making is that conservatives of every kind, from one end of the spectrum to the other, are united in deploring a Gonzalez nomination.

I oppose Gonzalez mainly because he is pro-abortion. But he is also an opponent of the first amendment's clause on religious freedom, an opponent of the second amendment right to bear arms, an opponent of the constitutional principle that all men are equal regardless of race, and an opponent of defending our country against illegal immigrants. And I believe he is weak on property rights, as well.

If that doesn't unite conservatives against him, I don't know what would. Even Buchanan has joined the parade.


23 posted on 07/16/2005 9:45:11 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jstolzen
I guess there's very little left today of "true conservatives". It's just differing degrees of liberalism.

Using Marxist ideals to obtain control seems to be foremost on the minds of those who own and operate the Dem/GOP political consortium.

24 posted on 07/16/2005 9:45:53 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: kellynla
Especially since the W administration has failed to secure the borders.

I cannot say one way or another right now what I will be doing re voting in 2006 & 2008.
But another betrayal such as putting Gonzales up for SC makes me sick to my stomach. This is not just a one issue problem for me. He is so far removed from what I expected from W's AG, that words fail me.

Nepotism is beneath what I expect from a conservative President. Remember Ab Fortes and LBJ?
Disgusting.

25 posted on 07/16/2005 9:55:46 AM PDT by meema
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To: cloud8

"I think the MSM pretends that Buchanan speaks for conservatives and gives him coverage for the same reason that we are delighted whenever Howard Dean shoots his mouth off."

You're on the right track, but I don't even think it's that nefarious. I think that the MSM just doesn't understand conservatism at all because NONE OF THEM ARE CONSERVATIVES. They don't understand the ideology itself and think it's just a reactionary movement, so to them, Pat Buchanan is the utmost conservative.


26 posted on 07/16/2005 11:33:53 AM PDT by Betaille ("I turned 21 in prison doin' life without parole" Merle Haggard (lyrics))
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To: Cowboy Bob
If Bush nominates Gonzales, the Republicans in the Senate don't have to vote to confirm...

Haven't you noticed that "US Senator" means "born without a backbone." ???

27 posted on 07/16/2005 12:13:53 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
If there's one thing us conversatives can truly count on, it is that we will be dissapointed 90% of the time, regardless of whether the President, Administration, or Congress is ruled by a majority of Republicans (moderate liberals) or Democrats (left-wing nuts).

So true. That is because this "Two-Party Cartel" is owned & indirectly run by the elites that have no intention of allowing a true conservative agenda to flourish. I find this so overwhelmingly evident. The ONLY way to change it is to vote outside of the cartel. The people are so brainwashed into these two corrupted factions that they just can't go outside of it, ergo NO change to conservativism. I guarantee that if Gongales is nominated my wife & I are done with the pubbies & will reregister elsewhere.

28 posted on 07/17/2005 9:10:17 AM PDT by Digger (Outsource CONgr)
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To: jstolzen

"Hey, here's a thought..maybe this is all "strategery" and Dubya is a closet lib trying to destroy the party from within. Don't laugh - almost everything he's done (non-existent border control, weak on domestic defense, spending like a drunken sailor and horrible immigration policy) looks, smells, and quacks like a liberal duck."

That's eerie, but totally plausible. I didn't laugh...


29 posted on 07/17/2005 9:08:17 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: Digger; YoungKentuckyConservative

I've said this many times, but both the Democommies and Republicans are dangerous to America.

We understand that the Democommies are the worst POS liars ever. However, people don't understand conservatism, they think Bush is a conservative.

In my mind, conservative is in the vein of our founding fathers. If these great men were reincarnated and started a political party, the republicans would look like socialists compared to them.

Voting Democrat: a fast forward button to socialism
Voting Republican: a small, yet ineffective brake on socialism

Then we have Rush limbaugh playing cheerleader for this administration every single day. I dont know how this guy can look at himself in the mirror. However, I did hear him say twice last week that he is sick of carrying the water for this administration. Maybe if Bush nominates gonzales, Rush will see the light and speak his mind.


30 posted on 07/17/2005 9:15:07 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: kellynla
“Conservatives would be demoralized enraged by a Gonzales appointment,”

There, much better.
31 posted on 07/17/2005 9:20:19 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: nathanbedford

The general and his wife are buried under a large equestrian statue of the general. As the demographics of Memphis have changed some folks who have a problem with the general have tried to get the statue moved. As I understand it, the Forrest family gave the land for Forrest Park to the city for as long as the statue stayed there. If the statue and graves are moved, the property reverts to the Forrest family.

After you visit Forrest Park you need to visit the Brices Crossroads National Battlefield Site at Baldwyn, Mississippi. You probably know what happened there.


32 posted on 07/17/2005 9:22:45 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: kellynla

Gonzales will not be picked to replace O'Connor.


33 posted on 07/17/2005 9:32:07 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Then we have Rush limbaugh playing cheerleader for this administration every single day

Unbelievably dishonest. You either don't listen to his program yet comment anyway, or you do and are not telling the truth about what you hear.

34 posted on 07/17/2005 9:33:43 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

" Unbelievably dishonest. You either don't listen to his program yet comment anyway, or you do and are not telling the truth about what you hear."

Wrong, I've listened every single day for the past 4 years, and have listened to him off and on since 1989, when I wasn't even in my teenage years.

If I didn't listen to him, I couldn't have named the two times, two days in a row early last week when he stated he was tired of carrying the water for this administration.


35 posted on 07/17/2005 9:51:56 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Apparently not very closely. He has went after this administration, sometimes quite harshly, numerous times since it took office, a number of times on immigration in the last year alone. The criticism is justified to a degree, IMHO. There are a lot of people on other issues starting threads in the past where it is discussed that they won't listen to Rush anymore because of his "Bush bashing." Rush has gone through large segments of his show in the last few years defending himself against the e-mail onslaughts when he criticizes the administration and gets attacked for "Bush bashing."

Again, either you do no listen to his show, or you are not telling the truth about what you are hearing.


36 posted on 07/17/2005 10:53:55 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

Let's go through this real slowly, so you can get it through your dense skull:

I specifically mentioned two instances last week in which Rush stated he is tired of carrying the water for this administration. If I didn't listen, I wouldnt know about that. And yes, I have heard all of those segments. Sean Hannity does the same thing, I listen to him right after Rush. I also catch Laura Ingrahams show as well.


Im sorry, I don't have to sit here and tell you that I listen all day to talk radio, or how long I have listened.
Kindly piss off.....


37 posted on 07/17/2005 11:04:06 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
And yes, I have heard all of those segments.

Then why did you say this?:

"Then we have Rush limbaugh playing cheerleader for this administration every single day. I dont know how this guy can look at himself in the mirror."

Kindly piss off.....

How 'bout you just get your story straight?

38 posted on 07/17/2005 11:45:58 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

Wow, you really "got me", 'sherlock'. You conveniently left out what I mentioned about his brief comments regarding carrying the water.

A few criticisms here and there don't really negate the overall fact that he's continually cheerleading.

Keep drinking your RNC flavored kool aid...and like I said earlier (hope you can read this one): Piss off!!!


39 posted on 07/17/2005 11:51:14 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Wasn't what I was talking about, and you know it. Liar.


40 posted on 07/18/2005 12:28:39 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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