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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 7
Various News Sources | 7/14/05

Posted on 07/13/2005 11:15:06 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba. AP photo


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; deepakkalpoe; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; satishkalpoe; vandersloot
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To: Krodg
I forgot all about Trixie Beldon--I'll have to find those for my daughter.

My dad used to come home for lunch to watch Perry Mason with us when we were kids...

841 posted on 07/15/2005 4:14:32 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: All
Mystery of Alabama Teen Drags on in Aruba - ABC News
842 posted on 07/15/2005 4:16:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Designer

Designer this has always been my theory.


843 posted on 07/15/2005 4:24:16 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: MAWG

That's for sure. Well, truth is, we have to be like Beth and the rest of the family, - NEVER GIVE UP!!


844 posted on 07/15/2005 4:28:27 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Dark Skies

Yes, Aruba is a dark dark place. The light just CANNOT be removed. The Dutch Embassy in the US should be under seige.!!


845 posted on 07/15/2005 4:30:48 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: TexKat

I'm late to this news. WHAT???


846 posted on 07/15/2005 4:34:04 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Designer
No flames from here. Without a dead body or large amounts of Natalee's blood indicating a fatal wound, then there is always the chance that she is still alive. I would like to know if that angle has even been explored a little bit by LE. We know it happens so why wouldn't they have at least looked, unless they suspect it is so and don't wsant to rile the wrong people?

One of the sites I looked at weeks ago mentioned that drug smuggling boats dock over by the lighthouse, in the wee morning hours using it as a guide for where to moor.

It's possible that Natalee was taken there and handed over/sold. It's also possible that they missed the boat that night and had to take her back to the Sloot's home until the following night.

Maybe Sloot wasn't home when the Twitty's arrived at the Sloot home and was sent on the wild goose chase to the casino. Maybe Sloot was at the lighthouse and had returned home prior to the Twitty's getting back to the Sloot home.

847 posted on 07/15/2005 4:37:26 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: jbeachgrl5
It was a different call that she needed him to examine and deduce where/who it came from.

Imho I believe that the phone message that Charles Croes listened to several times was a non-starter. I believe that it was a jumped conclusion that it was Natalee under the circumstances. That phone call was not to Beth or any family member of Natalee's, but to another student that was returning from Aruba.

The reason I say that is postings from one of the other MB students that is aware of the recorded message or a misdirected call.

The following are postings of the MB student discussing the Charles Croes listened to message (call that was to another MB student which is the call in question).

From SM:

Explanation of phone message by MB student Alana Jordan (Dash)

I heard it on a bus with a bunch of kids around me... so I heard probably considerably less than someone in a diff. environment listening to it. It sounded to me like there were people speaking a different language in the background and near the end it sounded like someone said "get off my phone" or "are you on my phone?" or something. But again, I'm not really the person to ask, as I didn't hear it clearly. The main reason I don't think it was Nat, though, is that I don't think she would have called this person... he even said he didn't think she would even know his number. (We have a phone directory at Mtn. Brook, but it lists home numbers of students... if she called people about graduation tickets she owuld have called their home numbers and likely from her home phone instead of wasting her cell minutes.)[/quote]

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It doesn't make sense that she would call this person when she had her friends' cell phone numbers and knew they had it on them. She couldn't have aclled from her phone, why would she know his number by heart?

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It might have been from someone on the other plane that dialed it accidently... I get those calls all the time with messages that dont make sense b/c it's just an accidental call. It was received when we were on our way home on the bus from Atlanta... it was at night, not that morning.

848 posted on 07/15/2005 4:39:13 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: MAWG

Might be none of my business, but what type of cancer did you have? You can freepmail me if you wish. I ask because a dear friend of mine has just been diagnosed with lung cancer--2 inch mass in one lung.


849 posted on 07/15/2005 4:41:07 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Turned out to be a false alarm sarasota. I am not up on the outcome but it appears that it was concrete in a barrel that was buried either halfway or totally in the ocean near or in front of the Marriott Hotel.


850 posted on 07/15/2005 4:43:48 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

You know, each time I click on this thread and see Natalee's photo...well, will that image ever recede from our minds?


851 posted on 07/15/2005 4:45:10 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Voir Dire

Bump!!


852 posted on 07/15/2005 4:48:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dolphy
If it's accurate though, it may be that the brothers are in as deep. I don't think Joran needed them to accomplish a walk on the beach.

He needed them to get her TO the beach. They may have known the reason or not. Thye may have thought they were going to score and when they found out they weren't, they could have left him. I have even wondered if one of the Kalpoe's might have given Sloot his alledged black eye.

853 posted on 07/15/2005 4:48:47 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: spectre

You're right of course, financially and emotionally draining.
Does anyone think the reason that Natalee has not been found yet is because she is alive and off the island or on the island but alive?? Any chance what so ever?
It just seems weird They cant find any trace as if she just totally disappeared. FRUSTRATING!


854 posted on 07/15/2005 4:51:47 PM PDT by stopem
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To: the Deejay

" No such thing (w/them) as "doing the right thing."

You're exactly right. Especially since the very person who was in charge, just happened to be the best bud of one of the perps - PVDS and his stinking son.

I'd also be happy to help you with your mission concerning the kid, should you choose to accept it. :)


855 posted on 07/15/2005 4:53:33 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: spectre

There is no need to beat Urine into talking. The Aruban government must bend their rules here and make Urine "volunteer" to take a polygraph under some guise, ie national security or whatever. Then we can put away this monster for life.


856 posted on 07/15/2005 5:00:28 PM PDT by doc
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To: stopem
No, I don't think it's unusual she hasn't been found. The island is surrounded by ocean, so if I were to dispose of a body, I'd consider that first off.

The legend will grow that she is still alive..I swear it will.

Nancy Grace is on now :)

857 posted on 07/15/2005 5:00:40 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: stopem

alive and off the island



That thought always comes to my mind BUT the words
"no body, no crime" comes to mind. If she was shipped off the island I don't think it would have been said like that. But who knows if that wasn't said deliberately. When dealing w/liars who knows what their words/lies mean.


858 posted on 07/15/2005 5:01:19 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: doc

Truth serum.


859 posted on 07/15/2005 5:02:41 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: doc; All
Even if he failed a polygraph, he wouldn't give up any information.

FBI is there at invitation of Authorities, and asked for access to materials and evidence on the case to review and have been DENIED access by Aruban LE

FBI gave advice how to interview Joran, and it has not been utilized.

860 posted on 07/15/2005 5:05:32 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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