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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 7
Various News Sources | 7/14/05

Posted on 07/13/2005 11:15:06 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba. AP photo


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; deepakkalpoe; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; satishkalpoe; vandersloot
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To: the Deejay

The Arubans will just put the body into a grave & keep mouths shut.



Very good point.


821 posted on 07/15/2005 3:37:40 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: the Deejay
Beth needs to come home and spend here time raising money to hire really determined PI's and fund an on-going effort to get at the truth.

And I wonder about a civil suit against Aruba and the Aruban LE. She could bury Aruba (hopefully). We on this thread would help.

822 posted on 07/15/2005 3:39:16 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: presently no screen name

I don't know who Beth hired
as investigators but if it
were me, I would have hired
Mark Fuhrman in the first
week.

Mark was very impressive on
Geraldo's show, as Mark went
step by step through the
campsite where that creep
duncan had been keeping
Shasta & Dylan.


823 posted on 07/15/2005 3:42:38 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Dark Skies
Americans can & should bury Aruba, within a year or less,IMO, just by NOT going there.
824 posted on 07/15/2005 3:46:37 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Dark Skies

spend here time raising money to hire really determined PI's and fund an on-going effort to get at the truth.



Full page ads in high school's and college papers w/Natalee's picture and text saying....

Enter Aruba at your own risk - if something happens - No One Cares - and we have proof - vacation elsewhere, preferably USA.


825 posted on 07/15/2005 3:47:02 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Most certainly, travel to Aruba over
this case and how their laws don't
work, should be a wakeup call for
everyone & not just to Americans.


826 posted on 07/15/2005 3:50:59 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: justche
I'm not saying she should totally give up.

As stated already, she can do alot on this end. AND Natalees spirit will be with her always. She wouldn't want her Mother to suffer anymore than she has to.

It's going to be very tough on Beth to go home as well. She has to face Natalees empty bedroom, her clothes, makeup...all the things as she left them.

Oh, the hardest times are still to come for poor Beth.

sw

827 posted on 07/15/2005 3:52:00 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Froufrou
Can't remember what the other car is or the color.

I think it was a blue SUV.

828 posted on 07/15/2005 3:52:44 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ...

Cars are submerged in flooded waters in Zeewijk, Aruba Friday, July 15, 2005 after Hurricane Emily passed about 118 miles north of the island in the early morning leaving substantial rainfall. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Yellow ribbons for missing teen fade in sun, along with hopes of solving mystery

Friday July 15, 2005

By MICHAEL NORTON Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) Yellow ribbons reminding people to keep an eye out for an Alabama teenager still flutter on tree trunks and telephone poles, but they're unraveling and fading in the sun, along with hopes of solving the mystery of her disappearance.

Of seven men detained at various times, only one remains in jail a Dutch youth who has admitted he was alone on a beach with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway in the early hours of May 30, the morning she vanished.

Joran van der Sloot, 17, faces no charges, and authorities can hold him until Sept. 4, when he must be charged or released.

Islanders who suddenly found their tourist-oriented Dutch Caribbean paradise thrust into the international limelight are longing for life to return to normal.

``Every time I see one of those ribbons, I think of her, and so do most Arubans. But it's too painful to go on looking and not finding her,'' said Julia Renfro, an American who has lived in Aruba for 16 years and whose International Friends of Aruba organized teams to search for Holloway.

``We all cried when Natalee went missing. But it was an isolated incident,'' said Myriam Croes, 52. ``We want things to go back to where Aruba was before she came.''

Croes was among more than 200 people who, wrapped in Aruban flags, demonstrated last week in front of the capital courthouse, saying they believed their island was being falsely portrayed as not doing enough to find Holloway.

Some 2,000 volunteers most tourists joined Dutch marines, Aruban police and FBI agents from Miami in the search for the honors student from Mountain Brook, Ala., in the first two weeks after she vanished.

They distributed photographs, knotted ribbons on boughs and doorknobs, and scoured the seaside and scrubland.

But by now, they've dwindled to a handful.

A team from Florida State University's underwater crime scene investigation department left the island Tuesday.

This week, three divers and seven land searchers directed by the Dickinson-based volunteer Texas EquuSearch group postponed their departure for the third time since coming here June 23. More than 70 volunteers have taken part in their search, an effort that will Sunday.

``We want to feel in our hearts we did everything,'' a tearful EquuSearch director Tim Miller said. ``I'm not that optimistic anymore.''

Croes said some American television coverage unfairly depicted the island, whose economy depends on tourism, as being ridden by crime and drugs.

``We have a good (Dutch) legal system. It hurts us to have it decried. A lot of people are tired of the uproar and angry,'' she said.

There has been only one murder on the island of 71,000 people this year. The last time a tourist was killed was in 1996, when an American woman was slain by two robbers who were arrested and convicted.

Like most Arubans, Croes no longer believes Holloway is on the island. ``Maybe she drowned, was carried out to sea, or was eaten by sharks. It's a mystery,'' she said.

Some taxi drivers still carry photos of Holloway in their vehicles, and most Arubans sigh and shake their heads when her name is mentioned.

The story has slipped off the front pages of local newspapers, however, and on radio talk shows, people increasingly voice indignation at what they consider slurs against their island.

Many fear they'll never know what happened to Holloway, who disappeared on her last scheduled night on the island, one that started with a party at Carlos 'N Charlie's restaurant, where she danced, drank and flirted with the Dutch youth and then left with him at 1 a.m.

On vacation on the island, a former U.S. congressman from New Jersey stood in the beating sun outside the courthouse where prosecutors argued in vain to an appeals court judge this week that two Surinamese friends of the Dutch teen, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, had been wrongly released June 4.

``The heart of every mother in the U.S. has been touched by Natalee's disappearance,'' said Frank Guarini.

``The terrible thing is, there's no closure here,'' said his sister Marie Mangin, 78, of West Orange, N.J.

That failure is something Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, is not prepared to contemplate. ``Everybody wants to know the ending. But we don't know if we're searching for Natalee alive or not alive,'' she said.

For the first 10 days, she expected her torment would end quickly, believing ``we would take her home. Our lives would move on in the same fashion as always.''

But now, even as she plans to stay on the island indefinitely, she says she knows ``my life will never be the same.''

829 posted on 07/15/2005 3:53:47 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: the Deejay

I saw that and I was impressed, also. Mark does have compassion and excels at what he does - it's not a job or a hobby - it's a burning desire for truth. Although for any detective or PI it will be hard because those that know anything won't talk. Any local will not come forward. The island is too small and too dangerous.


830 posted on 07/15/2005 3:54:21 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; the Deejay
But I would like to see that cesspool picked apart by some of the best detectives and forensic professionals in our country. Always lurking and digging in the dirt...and, man, is there dirt in Aruba.

We have abided by the law of Aruba and it has yielded nada (no motivation to expose the underbelly of Aruba). Next, send down people who are willing to bend the law to find the truth.

That might be best anyway. How could Jurine get a fair trial on the island. A judge (I hear there is no jury) would give him every benefit of every doubt.

Let's go to plan "B"...it seems much more likely to get to the bottom of this case.

831 posted on 07/15/2005 3:56:44 PM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: TexKat

LOL!

"How high's the water, mama?" (A little Johnny Cash there.)

What are the smokestacks in the background?

Refinerys? Oh me, I know that's a very bad
odor 24/7.


832 posted on 07/15/2005 3:59:19 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: presently no screen name
An excellent detective, (which is what I believe Mark Fuhrman to is), would be a magician at getting ppl to open up/slip up & spill their guts.
833 posted on 07/15/2005 4:03:20 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Dolphy
If he was going to pick up a girl for all of them, would they be back home within an hour? If something had gone wrong and Natalee was hurt would they leave Joran?

I think they had to wait for Deepak to get out of work. I think if something went wrong that the brothers would have left Sloot in a heartbeat.

Something else that was mentioned quite some time back was that Natalee looked a lot like one of Sloot's ex girlfriends. One that dumped his sorry butt, one that he tried to get back and couldn't. I wonder if Sloot took his revenge out on Natalee.

I was also wondering if he might be going through some type of drug or alcohol withdrawal and if that might account for some of his story changes?

834 posted on 07/15/2005 4:04:52 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat

their island was being falsely portrayed as not doing enough to find Holloway.


FALSELY? Not the island but the LE SLEPT FOR TEN DAYS!! just for starters....



where she danced, drank and flirted with the Dutch youth
By MICHAEL NORTON Associated Press Writer

That statement SHOWS the authors mindset!! Shove it, Mikey!


835 posted on 07/15/2005 4:07:46 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Rippersnapper

Ohhhh....he's been going through a
lot of major withdrawels. Gambling,
drinking, sex withdrawel, partying,
and those are the highlights.


836 posted on 07/15/2005 4:07:59 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: cajungirl; Froufrou
The Van der Sloot's vehicles


837 posted on 07/15/2005 4:08:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: libsl
I thought the details of whatever the boy has said are supposed to be confidential. I've only read in official channels that he has changed details of his account. Where are people getting stuff about him saying a body is buried here, a body is buried there, etc? If he has actually admitted to anything then why don't they charge him with some crime?

Supposedly Sloot has changed his story 14 times. I have yet to see a list of the 14 different stories though, even when I asked for one.

838 posted on 07/15/2005 4:08:56 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Froufrou
"Do you feel like Nancy Drew?"

I started with Trixie Beldon, moved up to Nancy Drew and then graduated with Perry Mason! LOL

I haven't been able to post much but I have tried following the threads. I remember when the fishermen's story came out, people were arguing about the color of vehicles that were impounded. After much discussion, someone posted a pic of a red jeep-like vehicle with a white top. I don't remember much being said after that.

839 posted on 07/15/2005 4:09:30 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: libsl
Where are they getting that information?

SM/Screaming Monkeys or something like that.

840 posted on 07/15/2005 4:12:06 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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