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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 7
Various News Sources | 7/14/05

Posted on 07/13/2005 11:15:06 PM PDT by TexKat

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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Just struck me, Beth said she just found out the DEA guy hadn't given a statement, I think she said "last night".

So how did she find out? I think her detectives are on the prowl. Make sense? I mean, who told her if not her investigator.


1,361 posted on 07/17/2005 5:44:06 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: TexKat; All

Your post was very interesting. Thanks again for contributing all the great information to the thread. It caused me to look at aruba.com again. I was on a page where the subject was BOR. It was entitled, "How Dare He?" (slam the Aruban gov't).

One post, obviously made by someone living in the US, had the following info in it. I thought I'd share:

"Personally, now that I am learning about Aruban law, I am a bit hesitant to return. While on Eagle Beach, I watched a man die of a heart attack. I was appalled as I watched them only perform basic CPR. An EMT told us that it is illegal to perform any advanced life saving techniques unless you arrive at the hospital with a pulse. I'm sorry, but I was never so happy to land in Newark and see defibrillators on the walls!"


1,362 posted on 07/17/2005 6:24:14 AM PDT by toldyou
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bttt


1,363 posted on 07/17/2005 6:30:12 AM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Pepper777; Krodg; sarasota; TexKat; Rippersnapper; All

That's a good point, Pepper. I have been to so many websites and seen so many snippets of info I can't keep any of it really straight.

I've never thought JVDS was in this alone. And somehow I think that has everything to do with him getting away with whatever he's done. And, I don't even think it's the first time! I think he's USED to getting away with stuff that would put any other kid in deep do-do.


1,364 posted on 07/17/2005 6:34:55 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: cajungirl

Morning CG. Running late this morning. Beat. Does anyone know that it harder to get up in the morning after being the only sober one with a bunch of drunks. Hell, at 1 am this morning I'm getting bitched out because a 41 yo wants to go DAAAANNNNNNNCCCEEEEE!!! Can't get the shrillness of here. Maybe I'll make a wav. file. Think of Carol Channing hollering at the top of her voice and that comes close.
TAW


1,365 posted on 07/17/2005 6:45:06 AM PDT by Malichi (.)
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To: GarySpFc

Gary, you are Spot on Mate, as to Urine's sociapath persona. If released, he will kill again later in life. NSNR


1,366 posted on 07/17/2005 6:52:29 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Malichi
And if I see one, "Spell key is your friend", or "You must've missed elementary grammar', I'm going to use NSNR's Glazgon Transmorgrifier that he bought off of a Zulopian trader for peanuts, and come through the screen and throttle someone. :-)
1,367 posted on 07/17/2005 6:53:11 AM PDT by Malichi (.)
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To: hummingbird

Hummingbird, it was an excellent movie. The teaching point, this can happen when police officers sworn to uphold the law, put themselves above the law.(corruption)

Mr. Selleck is a very good actor/Republican/Conservative.

Well now, is everything everything? (Smile) Have a wonderful day. NSNR


1,368 posted on 07/17/2005 6:58:33 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Malichi

Mark for later


1,369 posted on 07/17/2005 6:59:27 AM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: TexKat

Morning TK.

Did anyone see the video of JvdS hitting the car hood with his handcuffed hands yesterday while on another visit to the beach with the keystone kops?

Besides being a sociopath he is a drugge/alcoholic and their brains are warped, violence is one of their primary personality disorders.


1,370 posted on 07/17/2005 7:10:14 AM PDT by WestCoastGal ("Junior picked up that race car on his shoulders and carried it to victory today." Steve Hmiel)
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To: rolling_stone

bump


1,371 posted on 07/17/2005 7:29:14 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Sunshine55

Bookmarking


1,372 posted on 07/17/2005 7:35:12 AM PDT by Sunshine55
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To: WestCoastGal

"Did anyone see the video of JvdS hitting the car hood with his handcuffed hands yesterday while on another visit to the beach with the keystone kops?"

Yes I did. Obviously he was quite upset about something. Just hope that things are getting tough for him because then he might be ready to tell the truth. However, I am not holding my breath!


1,373 posted on 07/17/2005 8:12:34 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
I can't remember who it was that called Beth when they were near memphis on the trip home from Arkansas......was it the chaperone that stayed behind in aruba, or did someone else make that call? I think she intended to meet the nus with the kids at the drop-off point after their bus-trip from the airport (was it atlanta airport?)

IIRC, she was going to pick up a few of the girls at the airport, and for that, she had plenty of time. However, now being informed (as she was driving) by the chaperone in Aruba before any of them had gotten on the plane (I THINK they were all gathered and waiting in the hotel lobby and Natalee was very late and not in the hotel at all), she must have known she would be going to Aruba and started speeding and dialling 911.

The question is, did any of them have additional info about Natalee at that time, info that Beth has been told NOT to give to the public now so as to not compromise the case?

When was Beth aware of the voice mail back at her home (where she had not yet arrived, but Jug must have been there)? When did that boy with the garbled message on his cell realize that? How much info did Natalee's friends start giving when Natalee did not show up? My guess, thinking back to high school days, is pretty much everything they knew -- they were no doubt FREAKED that Natalee wouldn't make the PLANE HOME so they probably spilled their guts about who they last saw her with.

I don't know how much of that info the chaperone would even pass to Beth at that time.

Frankly, a mother might worry "the worst," but would other adults or even other kids? Wouldn't a lot of folks assume she was simply drunk and oversleeping at her "lover's" home?

1,374 posted on 07/17/2005 8:25:03 AM PDT by Yaelle
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1,375 posted on 07/17/2005 8:27:02 AM PDT by countryconservative (<<<<<<<<<<<< original FR start date 9/21/05 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<)
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To: txrangerette
My comment is, it is Dave Holloway who WANTS to talk to Joran. He tried to visit him in jail. He wants to look Joran in the eyes and see if Joran can look back and say straight out that he is innocent. Joran's mother claims that Joran is willing to see Dave now, but Joran's father says, nope, he will talk to you after the case is closed.

Oh, OK. That makes more sense. However, sociopaths will be able to look you in the eye and lie like that, possibly even crying HUGE Scott Peterson tears, which wouldn't give Dave the answer he desperately seeks.

Mrs. VDS is in total denial (the mothers of these guys always are, look again at Scott P). The father is using all his legal expertise/connections to protect and cover for his son, and seems to know a lot more than he really should, if Joran is so innocent.

1,377 posted on 07/17/2005 8:30:15 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
well if the cellphone guy IS the DEA agent in question

Wow, that's actually a great cover employment for a DEA!

1,378 posted on 07/17/2005 8:32:11 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Is this the hottie?


1,379 posted on 07/17/2005 8:37:10 AM PDT by Yaelle
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