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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 7
Various News Sources | 7/14/05

Posted on 07/13/2005 11:15:06 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba. AP photo


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; deepakkalpoe; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; satishkalpoe; vandersloot
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To: TexKat
Thanks, TexKat!
1,341 posted on 07/16/2005 10:03:06 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; Dolphy
well if the cellphone guy IS the DEA agent in question

Imho, the DEA agent in question is not the cellphone guy. The way it looks, the cellphone guy was contacted by the DEA agent. (see Greta's interview of Charles Croes, he states that he was contacted by a friend. My assumption is that friend was the DEA agent). Also I believe that particular DEA agent has been on O'Reilly a couple of times early on in the case. His name escapes me at the present. I will have to look it up.

1,342 posted on 07/16/2005 10:04:30 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Thanks for info on "Jingles"....I've never heard of the movie but Tom Selleck is "hot" so I'll probably check it out...heh, heh, heh!


1,343 posted on 07/16/2005 10:15:34 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: TexKat

you can call and ask him

and the hotties can also call him :)

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1868.html


1,344 posted on 07/16/2005 10:17:13 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
We already had someone here e-mail him (C Croes)the day after his interview on Greta and she invited him to join us on FR.

I don't think she ever heard back from him or if she did, she did not tell us. lol.

1,345 posted on 07/16/2005 10:24:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Charles Croes had a posting on Aruba.com regarding the case that he posted after his On The Record interview. Did you read it? It was copied and pasted here on FR on one of the threads.


1,346 posted on 07/16/2005 10:27:14 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

if I did, I have forgotten.

btw, 15 minutes till Beth on Geralfo's re-run of tonites show

(great typo, I'll just leave it, LOL)


1,347 posted on 07/16/2005 10:31:49 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=122901&t=122718

Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw) Date: 06-02-05 09:01

There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.

It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.

I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

I wish all of us strength

charles 
arubafastphones.com

1,348 posted on 07/16/2005 10:35:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
What is your take on C Croes statement of: In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

I wish all of us strength>?

1,349 posted on 07/16/2005 10:45:15 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: stopem

There was also an interview where he said something to the effect "he's had the pleasure of serving the United States" I think he's lived here as well. The theory being--military or DEA or some such.


1,350 posted on 07/16/2005 11:05:47 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: GarySpFc
One of the attributes of the sociopath is an inability to recognize his own error. The sociopath can lie, swindle, and abuse, and never really understand why everybody gets so worked up about it. Without the capacity to feel pain, the sociopath injures himself and others and totally ignores it. He makes mistakes and goes on as if nothing happened. Other symptoms include impulsiveness, irritability, aggressiveness, recklessness and remorselessness.

Totally describes someone I was married to....and I see the same expressions (and lack of) on Joran's face.

1,351 posted on 07/16/2005 11:12:53 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: justche

I really should read all the posts while catching up before replying, but then I forget which ones I wanted to reply to...sorry for the duplicate info!


1,352 posted on 07/16/2005 11:15:09 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: TexKat

one possibility, since he qualifies it as his opinion, that others are at risk as well.

could be a veiled threat.

could be fear for himself.

might have said it to mitigate the pathetic and obstructed "investigation"

I don't know what to think of him, except that I am not inclined to accept him at face value.....and I mean beyond whether or not he is the DEA agent.

BTW, Beth DID say that the cops 'didn't request' a statement from the DEA agent, rather than 'wouldn't accept' one, like I thought I heard at 10pm. Hopefully he took the initiative to prepare and send one timely to FBI/DEA, in case it can be used as evidence in court.

One thing about the cops and the DEA guy......the cops in aruba knowing the ID of a DEA guy is the same as those he is seeking info on knowing, since aruba is corrupt in such a round-robin way. Their cops and our DEA are not on the same side where drugs and money laundering are concerned.


1,353 posted on 07/16/2005 11:18:04 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

and keeping our FBI at arns length in this "investigation" after inviting the FBI assistance demonstrates clearly that their cops and our FBI are not on the same side in the disappearance of Natalee, either!


1,354 posted on 07/16/2005 11:25:34 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Another earlier post on Aruba.com of Charles Croes.

emails posted at SM - no source: 
Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw) 
Date: 06-16-05 08:23 

ENRIQUE,

YOUR REMARK HAS CAUSED ME TO RECIEVE OVER 150 MAILS ASKING IF YOU COULD BE CORRECT OR WHAT MY TIES ARE WITH THE CASE. YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH YOUR STATEMENTS. TO SLAM MY BUSINESS IS ONE THING BUT TO HINT AT CRIMINAL IMPLICATION IS SOMETHING ELSE.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO STOP THIS AT ONCE.

CHARLES CROES

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Re: cell phones 
Author: Robert (70.56.239.---) 
Date: 06-16-05 10:56 

Charles. There is nothing to worry about. We all know even if you have ties with the case nothing will be done about. But it does sound like you are nervous about something.

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Re: cell phones 
Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw) 
Date: 06-16-05 15:05 

Robert, 
Perceptive guy indeed. 

Not so much nervous as tired and a bit frayed around the edges. Work has piled up and trying to keep things going while involved in other issues is tough.

Thanks for your note. 
charles 
arubafastphones.com 

1,355 posted on 07/16/2005 11:35:50 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dolphy

I think it was calculated and I think Greta is part of the whole team of holloway/twittys who are trying to solve the case. Greta is part of it, you can tell.

And I am glad she is.


1,356 posted on 07/17/2005 5:35:13 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Dolphy

yep, and the part of the interview that was not aired is the good part!


1,357 posted on 07/17/2005 5:36:20 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Mansurs are Lebanese


1,358 posted on 07/17/2005 5:37:39 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Perhaps he retracted his confession after his father took care of the body and told him "No body, no crime."


1,359 posted on 07/17/2005 5:39:16 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: justche

Totally describes a dog we had once, no kidding. The dog was a doggie sociopath. No affection for us or anyone, did exactly what he wanted, was defiant, reckless, remorseless. I don't think he lied but who knows.


1,360 posted on 07/17/2005 5:41:50 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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