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Tokyo Governor Sued for Insulting French
Associated Press ^ | 7/13/05

Posted on 07/13/2005 12:40:59 PM PDT by saquin

TOKYO - A group of teachers and translators in Japan on Wednesday sued Tokyo's outspoken nationalist governor for allegedly calling French a "failed international language," a news report said.

Twenty-one people filed the lawsuit at the Tokyo District Court, demanding that Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara pay a total of 10.5 million yen ($94,600) compensation for insulting the French language in remarks last October, national broadcaster NHK said.

In their suit, the plaintiffs accused Ishihara of saying: "French is a failed international language because it cannot be used to count numbers."

"It's natural for different languages to have different names for numbers and different ways of counting them, so it's unacceptable for him to insult French in this way," Malik Berkane, who heads a French-language school in Tokyo, told reporters at a news conference.

The Tokyo metropolitan government refused to comment, saying it hadn't received word of the lawsuit.

French is the official language in about three dozen countries and territories worldwide and is one of the official working languages for international organizations such as the United Nations. In French, some numbers can be unwieldy to say, such as 90, which translates as "four-twenty-ten."

Japan's counting system can also be tricky. Adopted from Chinese, the Japanese numeric system ignores the western system of classifying large numbers every three digits. Though one thousand is the same, 30,000 would translate as "three-10,000," 4 million would be "400-10,000" and 4 billion would be "40-100 million."

Counting one pencil or one bottle of beer ("ippon") in Japanese differs from counting one sheet of paper ("ichimai") or one book ("issatsu").

Ishihara, one of Japan's most popular politicians, is known for his blunt nationalist talk, criticism of illegal immigrants and unapologetic view of the Japanese wartime military's atrocities in Asia. His remarks often rile Chinese and Korean residents in Japan.


TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: french
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To: RoseofTexas

Bush should sue the French for claiming that the US government shot at missle at the Pentagon on 911. That there was no plane crash in DC that day.


21 posted on 07/13/2005 12:49:47 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: weegee
Nothing's wrong. Just using it to say that the Japanese examples aren't so odd.

Yeah, but the French ones are. :-P

In French, some numbers can be unwieldy to say, such as 90, which translates as "four-twenty-ten."

Sheesh, certainly needlessly unwieldy, if you ask me.

22 posted on 07/13/2005 12:49:50 PM PDT by saquin
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To: saquin
A group of teachers and translators in Japan on Wednesday sued Tokyo's outspoken nationalist governor for allegedly calling French a "failed international language,"

Well, it is.

23 posted on 07/13/2005 12:49:53 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite)
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To: saquin
Twenty-one people filed the lawsuit at the Tokyo District Court

I truly hope the Governor has friends in the Yakuza who can permanently eliminate this inconvenience for him.

24 posted on 07/13/2005 12:50:41 PM PDT by Freebird Forever (abolish islam)
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To: Gefreiter
Lingua franca is now an ironic term.
25 posted on 07/13/2005 12:50:47 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: William Creel; maikeru; Dr. Marten; Eric in the Ozarks; Al Gator; snowsislander; sushiman; ...
We need an Amercian version of this guy.

I think the nearest equivalent would be Michael Savage, who's said he'd never run for public office (wish he'd reconsider).

Japan * ping * (kono risuto ni hairitai ka detai wo shirasete kudasai : let me know if you want on or off this list)

26 posted on 07/13/2005 12:50:54 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: saquin

Calypso Louis would go nuts trying to discern the meaning behind those numbers.


27 posted on 07/13/2005 12:51:07 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I'm starting to love the french, they provide so much comic relief to my work day!!!


28 posted on 07/13/2005 12:51:27 PM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: saquin

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!


29 posted on 07/13/2005 12:51:42 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: saquin
"French is a failed international language because it cannot be used to count numbers."

He's got a point. In French they run out of names for numbers past sixty (soixante), 70 is sixty-ten (soixante-dix), 71 is sixty-eleven, etc. etc.

80 is four-twenty, 81 is four-twenty-one

90 is four-twenty-ten, 91 is four-twenty-eleven

I learned to speak French fluently as a kid and the numbers used to drive me nuts.

30 posted on 07/13/2005 12:52:15 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: Freebird Forever

The Yakuza are experts at eliminating unnecessary digits.


31 posted on 07/13/2005 12:52:20 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: ElkGroveDan

Sounds like they lost interest after 69 (about the only French number much of the world knows).


32 posted on 07/13/2005 12:53:23 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: Phantom Lord

PL,
All of that might be true, but it doesn't add up to a "failed language".

Consider the linguistic heritage in other languages, the words, phrases, etymologies that are rooted in French. Consider that one can find native French speakers on every populated continent.

I'm no apologist or anything, but credit where credit's due: French isn't a failure.


33 posted on 07/13/2005 12:54:42 PM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Gefreiter

How about this, French is a language with a rich, historic, and bountiful past, with its future alongside Latin.


34 posted on 07/13/2005 12:56:20 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Gefreiter

Japan has many borrowed words. Their word for bread is "pan".

This is being blown all out of proportion.

It hardly warrants a lawsuit.


35 posted on 07/13/2005 12:56:58 PM PDT by weegee (Re: immigration "Those Syrians are coming to Iraq to do the bombings that Iraqis won't do.")
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To: saquin
French is the official language in about three dozen countries and territories worldwide

It is only spoken by a majority of the population in France, Belgium, Monaco and Haiti.

36 posted on 07/13/2005 12:58:57 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Gefreiter
for centuries it was the only language of international diplomacy

French undoubtedly had a good run, but WWII ended the party.

La Francophonie is a joke.

37 posted on 07/13/2005 1:01:19 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: saquin

38 posted on 07/13/2005 1:01:30 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: saquin
Twenty-one people filed the lawsuit at the Tokyo District Court, demanding that Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara pay a total of 10.5 million yen ($94,600) compensation for insulting the French language in remarks last October, national broadcaster NHK said.

Big deal. What harm was done to these people??? France would be the richest nation on the planet if they received money any time someone insulted them.
39 posted on 07/13/2005 1:01:54 PM PDT by Millee (So you're a feminist......isn't that cute??)
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To: Gefreiter
All of that might be true, but it doesn't add up to a "failed language".

Sure it does. If a language is unable to adapt and change then it becomes a dead language. And a dead language is a failed language.

40 posted on 07/13/2005 1:06:19 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite)
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