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China June trade surplus swells five-fold
Reuters ^ | Reuters

Posted on 07/11/2005 7:27:02 AM PDT by jpsb

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's trade surplus for June swelled five-fold from a year earlier as exports grew much faster than imports, offering more ammunition for foreign critics who argue that Beijing should let the yuan rise in value.

The June surplus grew to $9.68 billion, exceeding forecasts of $8.0 billion and towering above the $1.8 billion surplus recorded for June 2004.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticonsumer; businesshating; chicoms; chinatrade; cowardlynamecalling; economicignorance; fairtrade; fearmongering; freetraitors; isolationism; robbingusblind; suckers; tradewar
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To: SandyB

With that post, I dub thee "murrymom II" and will doubt your opinion on most anything.

It's been fun.


281 posted on 07/12/2005 7:02:16 AM PDT by listenhillary (Don Rumsfeld /Karl Rove - Next US supreme court justices - Will Dem heads explode?)
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To: superiorslots
"I've also noticed a snobish elitism from many free traitors over the years to blue collar workers "

Infuriating, elitism at it's ugliest.

282 posted on 07/12/2005 7:02:17 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"So that blather about Americans don't make anything and nobody buys American stuff was just a load of BS?"

Other then Boeing aircraft, most of the stuff we make that fuels exports is food and food products, parts to be reimported after overseas assembly and lastly a big hit, disasemblied American factories (machines) to be sent overseas to make there what we once made here.

283 posted on 07/12/2005 7:12:47 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: Ciexyz

Would you do business with a local merchant that hated you and was saving his monies so he could hire a thug to do you in? If you are retired that you should remember victory gardens and such. You sound very selfish, many young Americans are going to die becuase of attitutes like yours.


284 posted on 07/12/2005 7:18:36 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: listenhillary
"What would China do without the US market? "

They are "priming the pump, once they build any kind of a domestic market, they will not need the American market do continue thier expansion, but they will need resources. You can easily guess what happens next.

285 posted on 07/12/2005 7:22:54 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: listenhillary
"What would China do without the US market? "

They are "priming the pump, once they build any kind of a domestic market, they will not need the American market do continue thier expansion, but they will need resources. You can easily guess what happens next.

286 posted on 07/12/2005 7:23:30 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: superiorslots
Typical "I got mine-screw everyone else" senior citizen greed/attitude that is so prevelant today.

This applies to the anti-free traders also. USA - we've got ours, screw you. No you can't have access to our markets, we want to keep you poor.

287 posted on 07/12/2005 7:35:24 AM PDT by listenhillary (Don Rumsfeld /Karl Rove - Next US supreme court justices - Will Dem heads explode?)
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To: jpsb

Lots of McDonald's Happy Meals, too.


288 posted on 07/12/2005 7:44:02 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: SandyB
What goods do we still make in the USA?

Unlike many who post on this forum about manufacturing and trade, I actually make my living there.

To get to my office to look through email and FR on break I just walked past a lot of spindles cooling in our heat treating department. These will be assembled locally into sugar beet harvesting equipment and loaded into containers for shipment to the Ukraine. Though we are almost completely hobbled by our government, you must keep the faith. It does happen.

289 posted on 07/12/2005 7:58:56 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: listenhillary
"No you can't have access to our markets, we want to keep you poor."

Actually the exact opposite is the truth. If one uses traiffs to give domestic producers a level playing field or even an advantage then the creation and distribution of wealth stay in the country which tends to make everyone richer. If have a great deal of experience in building weath creating domestic industries by protecting then from unfair foriegn competition with traiffs and such. It has worked well and could work well again. We have only 20 or so years experience at open borders, open market, "free trade uber allis" and we are getting our clocked cleaned and about to be over taken by the protectionist rising super powers of China and India.

One would be idiotic not to insist on at least a through and fair review of all these trade agreements that are sucking the life out of our domestic wealth producing industries.

290 posted on 07/12/2005 7:59:22 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: jpsb
"So that blather about Americans don't make anything and nobody buys American stuff was just a load of BS?"

Other then Boeing aircraft, most of the stuff we make that fuels exports is food and food products, parts to be reimported after overseas assembly and lastly a big hit, disasemblied American factories (machines) to be sent overseas to make there what we once made here.

In order to prevent collapse of the US dollar, we need to balance our foreign trade, and even get a surplus. Since our trade deficit is over $700 billion, we need to increase our exports by at least $800 billion each year

HOw are we gonna increase our farm and disassembled factories by that much each year forever?>

291 posted on 07/12/2005 8:12:20 AM PDT by SandyB
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To: jpsb
We have only 20 or so years experience at open borders, open market, "free trade uber allis" and we are getting our clocked cleaned.

Free trade is not a new thing invented by American Capitalists. Europe practiced free trade over 120 years ago and it failed miserably. Any bets on history repeating itself?

292 posted on 07/12/2005 8:18:07 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: listenhillary
I hate China's government as much as anyone,

Any government which violates the rights of it's citizens is a government of tyranny. It's a matter of degrees. Communism is one of the worst. China seems to have a hybrid. Communism which allows some economic freedom and private property. It is heinous , but at least seems to be moving in the right direction.

This country (US) was a free market, capitalist country with almost absolute property and civil rights. It is now a hybrid as well. Part capitalist, part socialist, and an ever increasing fascist component. It is still fairly good, but sadly going in the wrong direction.

While all this is happening, many people are focusing on the childish approach of vilification of others, (Chinese to be sure, but all other third world countries, IE Mexico and Latin America) and hating companies like WalMart. It's past sad.

And if you see things the way I do, you are an America hater.

293 posted on 07/12/2005 8:36:29 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras
I have yet to see a friendly exchange on this forum on this topic.

It may seem like a bizarre analogy , but I think free trade advocates have much the same problem as Muslims in this country. Where other nations have abused the concept of free trade (and there are plenty) those who advocate FT should be the first to call them on it, instead we hear only silence. It makes one wonder what side you are on.

I am curious what you think should be the approach the US should take with China's currency manipulation?

294 posted on 07/12/2005 8:54:29 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: SandyB

Come on the dollar isn't going to collapse, it is one of the most stable currencies in the western world. If I had to make a list of western currencies likely to collapse, the dollar would be far from my mind.


295 posted on 07/12/2005 8:56:51 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: expat_panama
Believe it or not, the graph was showing inflation adjusted incomes.

It was not so labeled. My discourse covered the descriptors usually used, yours listed none of them. And anyways, even using BLS numbers, we have already heard the proverbial "13th Stroke of the Clock"...and have as Mark Twain said, exceedingly grave doubts about the accuracy of the preceding twelve. Just look to the issue of motivations. E.g.,

Yada yada yada, "because the GOVERNMENT tells you you're better off than ever"....yeah right.

How about first subtracting that Government Debt from the "Good Times", GDP? Cheap credit has masked the major problems. This has proved to be America's version of "muddling through."

IMHO, it Looks like "Party time" is just about over. I suspect major price shocks are imminent and Inflation will become again the big bugaboo in Washington, because employees are not going to sit still for $3.00/gallon gasoline and $16/lb sirloin...without demanding wage increases...triggering the dreaded "spiral." And until the destruction of US production and productivity is ended (the "Production Holiday") and import-dependence is ended, we will likely descend into and persist in a serious stagflation.

296 posted on 07/12/2005 9:05:20 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: expat_panama
Believe it or not, the graph was showing inflation adjusted incomes.

It was not so labeled. My discourse covered the descriptors usually used, yours listed none of them. And anyways, even using BLS numbers, we have already heard the proverbial "13th Stroke of the Clock"...and have as Mark Twain said, exceedingly grave doubts about the accuracy of the preceding twelve. Just look to the issue of motivations. E.g.,

Yada yada yada, "because the GOVERNMENT tells you you're better off than ever"....yeah right.

How about first subtracting that Government Debt from the "Good Times", GDP? Cheap credit has masked the major problems. This has proved to be America's version of "muddling through."

IMHO, it Looks like "Party time" is just about over. I suspect major price shocks are imminent and Inflation will become again the big bugaboo in Washington, because employees are not going to sit still for $3.00/gallon gasoline and $16/lb sirloin...without demanding wage increases...triggering the dreaded "spiral." And until the destruction of US production and productivity is ended (the "Production Holiday") and import-dependence is ended, we will likely descend into and persist in a serious stagflation.

297 posted on 07/12/2005 9:06:14 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Last Dakotan
It makes one wonder what side you are on.

What are my choices?

298 posted on 07/12/2005 9:10:23 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Paul Ross
I suspect major price shocks are imminent and Inflation will become again the big bugaboo in Washington, because employees are not going to sit still for $3.00/gallon gasoline and $16/lb sirloin...without demanding wage increases...triggering the dreaded "spiral."

The previous comments indicate a fundamental misunderstanding of what inflation is and what causes it.

299 posted on 07/12/2005 9:17:54 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: Protagoras
And if you see things the way I do, you are an America hater

You mean as it is defined on FR?

I hate the America that we have become. A nation of whiners, quitters, nanny state advocates, sky is falling chicken littles running to those in authority "they hit me, make them stop, it's not fair!"

Heinlein was right, we NEED space exploration to weed out the gene pool. The weak stay home and the men and women with backbone immigrate and propagate.

300 posted on 07/12/2005 9:35:37 AM PDT by listenhillary (Don Rumsfeld /Karl Rove - Next US supreme court justices - Will Dem heads explode?)
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