Terrorists' aim is to end western civilisation, says ex-Mossad head

Scotsman ^ | 7/10/05 | Rupert Steiner

[Crackingham]

The former head of Mossad, the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service, says we are in the throes of a new world war where the objective of the terrorist is not regime change or territorial gains but despatching western civilisation into history.

Efraim Halevy, who recently stepped down as the head of the Israel National Security Council and national security adviser to the Israeli prime minister, said we were in for the long haul and must brace ourselves for more that will follow.

Halevy, who was also an Israeli ambassador to the European Union, warned: "Thursday's attacks on the London transport system were the work of perpetrators who had an operational capacity of considerable scope. They have come a long way since the two attacks of 1998 against the American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, and the horrors of September 11, 2001.

"There was careful planning, intelligence-gathering, and a sophisticated choice of timing as well as near-perfect execution. We are faced with a deadly and determined adversary who will stop at nothing and will persevere as long as he exists as a fighting terrorist force.

"We are in the throes of a world war, raging over the entire globe, and characterised by the absence of lines of conflict and an easily identifiable enemy. There are sometimes long pauses between one attack and the next, consequently creating the wrong impression that the battle is all over."

Halevy who is now a special adviser to Quest, a London-based security and intelligence consultancy, is seen as one of the world's most eminent authorities on terrorism, with extensive security service contacts.

He said the 'great wars' of the 20th century lasted less than this war, and the end was nowhere in sight. "The aim of the enemy is not to defeat western civilisation but to destroy its sources of power and existence, and to render it a relic of the past.

"It does not seek a territorial victory or a regime change; it wants to turn western civilisation into history and will stop at nothing less than that.

"It will show no mercy or compassion and no appreciation for these noble values when practised by us. Unfortunately, it cannot be said that seven years after this war broke out at the embassies in east Africa, we can see its conclusion.

"For a while - too short a while - we are engrossed with the sheer horror of what we have seen and heard, but with the passage of time our memories fade and we return to our daily lives, forgetting that the war is still raging out there and that more strikes are sure to follow.

"In practice, no government today can provide an effective 'suit of protection' for the ordinary citizen. There can be no protection for every bus, every train, every street, every square. In these times the ordinary citizen must be vigilant and must make his personal contribution to the war effort.

"This war is already one of the longest in modern times. As things appear now, it is destined to be part of our daily lives for many years to come - until the enemy is eliminated - as it surely will be."

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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Hiz’but Tahrir

The Aim of Hizb ut-Tahrir

Its aim is to resume the Islamic way of life and to convey the Islamic da’wah to the world. This objective means bringing the Muslims back to living an Islamic way of life in Dar al-Islam and in an Islamic society such that all of life’s affairs in society are administered according to the Shari’ah rules, and the viewpoint in it is the halal and the haram under the shade of the Islamic State, which is the Khilafah State. That state is the one in which Muslims appoint a Khaleefah and give him the bay’ah to listen and obey on condition that he rules according to the Book of Allah (swt) and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saw) and on condition that he conveys Islam as a message to the world through da’wah and jihad.

The Party, as well, aims at the correct revival of the Ummah through enlightened thought. It also strives to bring her back to her previous might and glory such that she wrests the reins of initiative away from other states and nations, and returns to her rightful place as the first state in the world, as she was in the past, when she governs the world according to the laws of Islam.

It also aims to bring back the Islamic guidance for mankind and to lead the Ummah into a struggle with Kufr, its systems and its thoughts so that Islam encapsulates the world.

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html


An open letter from Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain to the Iraqi Opposition Groups conferring in their conference in London
http://www.islamic-state.org/leaflets/december1302.htm

[Northern Alliance]

Of course it is. The west still doesn't get it, and that is why it will probably lose.

[aynrandfreak]

I know how you feel, but we can't give up. We may get a city nuked, but we can still come back and win even after that.

[softwarecreator]

Terrorists' aim is to end western civilisation, says ex-Mossad head

Your title is only partially finished, it should also say "One more thing the MSM, Hollywood, libbies, democrats, the PC crowd, Europe, the ACLU and CAIR does not want you to read".

If this truth got out ... all these aforementioned groups would be out of business or rendered totally irrelevant.

[longtermmemmory]

BUMP

[durasell]

Terrorists will not end the on going debate that is central to America. Neither will they end out freedom of expression.

[MplsSteve]

Oh, the West will get it...eventually.

Unfortunately, it'll take more September 11th's before they do.

[backhoe]

From my file, "Fire & Blood & Iron:"

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The entire West ( dare I say "the civilized World?" ) is locked in a fight to the death with militant Islam.

There will be no second-place winner, no "third way" solution-- it is March or Die time, folks.

It is Us versus an eighth-century "culture" of plunder & pillage, forced religious "conversions," and the mistreatment of women.

The sooner we face up to this fact realistically and quit dancing around PC talking-point nonsense about diversity and tolerance, the better off we'll all be.

We did not pick this fight- which really has roots in Jimmy Carter's appeasement in 1979 of militants- but we had damned well better see it for what it is, and be prepared to face it and finish it.

I'll put it in raw, personal terms-- I don't want Sharia law visited upon my women, and I don't want a goat-roper "culture" infesting my land.

I don't want their vile, nasty, loathsome weapons of mass destruction loosed upon my fair country, either.

They picked the fight, and now it is up to us to finish it- balls to the wall, hammer and anvil, fire and blood and iron... freedom is never, ever free, and the coin you pay it in is men's lives and tears and blood.

What we saw during Gulf War I was our military doctrine ( high tech ) versus Soviet doctrine ( throw a lot of low tech iron at the problem )-- and we all know how that turned out.

What we saw in the 3-Week War is Information-Tech,
( What some are calling it Hyperwarfare... )
or 21st Century warfare versus 20th Century...

What I would suggest, and call your attention to, is the fact that we, and Israel, are capable of waging 21st Century warfare, and the entire Arab world is not.

Proven fact, by recent events.

One more thing- this will be a war where we are all called to be warriors- so I suggest to you that the time has come to get hard, and stay hard... it really is the time for Fire and Blood and Iron...

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I simply don't give rip anymore what these creatures think, feel, or fear:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

Where It's 9-11 All the Time...

Click the picture...

Where it's nine-eleven all the time
and no Sun sets,
and no clocks chime
where no voice speaks
and no bird trills
the Moon hangs frozen
o'er the hills
The winds are still, they seem to say,
Reflect, remember,
stop to pray...

[pepsionice]

If this is their goal...then we need to lessen their availability to our civilisation (hint: internet, phone-lines, mass media, communications, global banking and money laundering, travel via air, and TV). If you can terminate their access to these vehicles...you start a trend. If you identify the mosque that the Saudis finance...and terminate them...you set the wheels into motion. If you give the Saudi-trained mullahs no access to the west...give them 48 hours to leave any western nation and go back to Saudi Arabia to enjoy within their own confines...then you start to win the battle. These are all simple actions of a civilisation to survive. We don't have to fight them via their own methods...we have the tools at hand. We shouldn't feel bad about crossing out one entire society of Saudi-backed Muslims...they want things their way...fine, go find it in Saudi Arabia.

And as for the oil business...it might be whole lot smarter to buy oil via Siberia...via the mob...then through the Muslims in Saudi. Just something to think about.

[Northern Alliance]

No, we can't give up, but I still think we are going to lose.

[durasell]

I don't pretend to know the tools or methods to end it, and for all I know, it may not end for another 50 or 100 years. My personal plan is defiance. And I don't believe I am alone. Hitler was another one who thought our noisy melting pot culture was a weakness. And he was sorely mistaken.

[jonrick46]

The Muslims has better kill their cancer or they may be faced with more drastic measures: Does Dresden, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring some bells?

[barkeep]

As a successful gambling man, I predict that within my lifetime we will see at least one American city nuked, at least "dirty bombed". It has nothing to do with Iraq, had we never gone there, or if, tomorrow, we bring everyone home, release Saddam and give him the keys to Baghdad, they will still hate us and everything we stand for. There are too many nasty toys floating around out there to think we can forever dodge this bullet. We will survive, we will come back, we will win, because we have no choice.

I hate to cite fiction, but sometimes it allows plainer talk than the real world. In the TV show "West Wing", one episode the character Toby Zeigler, responding to a request to tone down rhetoric in a policy statement proclaims, "They will like us when we win!. Why do we have to take every Arab country which is trying to destroy us out for an ice cream cone? They will like us when we win!"

This is a new kind of war, a damned difficult war to prosecute, a war without rules or set geographical targets for us to strike more often than not. We do not have the option of declaring a truce and coming home shamefacedly because they will still come at us as long as we exist and prosper. We will look fondly back at the simpicity and minor expense of the Cold War and Mutually Assured Destruction as national policy, but until we are willing to fit our wives and daughters for burkas and grovel to the East five times a day, we must find a way to fight it.

[ArmedNReady]

"but I still think we are going to lose."

We have two battles: One against Islam and the other against the Appeasocrats.

[Northern Alliance]

f you give the Saudi-trained mullahs no access to the west...give them 48 hours to leave any western nation and go back to Saudi Arabia to enjoy within their own confines.

Except we can't do that with the western reliance on Saudi oil. That is because the Wahhabi world-wide influence is part of the deal that keeps the Saudi royal family in power. The consequences of them falling to an Islamic revolution are fairly clear - a disaster far worse than any terrorist attack thus far...

I find it disheartening that any suggestion that we must wean ourselves off of oil is met with derision here. The last time being just in the last 24 hours.

Anyway, that is just a distraction. Islam has to be strictly controlled and monitored, both at home and around the world. In particular, madrassas have to be closed - all of them. No government is prepared to do that - not even in Thailand where I live, where the Prime Minister has a huge majority in parliament and can basically do anything he wants without fear of getting thrown out of office. So weekly beheadings of innocent plantation workers, teachers and other civilians are dealt with cosmetically like issuing carry permits to teachers who can't afford the firearms anyway. And what is being done in the west? Also just cosmetic - nobody will touch the real problem which is the poisonous mind control of this cult.

Bush and Blair have very slim majorities at best and are also faced with a extreme liberal media - no way they will do what has to be done. Nobody will, that is why I don't hold out much hope for the future.

[jonrick46]

The Muslims had better kill their cancer or they may be faced with more drastic measures: Does Dresden, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring some bells?

[Neophyte]

...all these aforementioned groups would be out of business or rendered totally irrelevant.

Irrelevant? Not at all. They are absolutely relevant and active ENEMIES of our civilization, and they are in the business of destroying it by colluding with the Jihadis.

[Northern Alliance]

We have two battles: One against Islam and the other against the Appeasocrats

One is fairly easy to win (although there will be losses) if the will is there, but it isn't.

The other - seeing Bush's ratings plummet since 911 and just win a squeaker of an election show me clearly who is winning that one.