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CAFTA threatens sovereignty
Ag Weekly ^ | Jul 08 2005 | Cathy Roemer

Posted on 07/09/2005 2:01:21 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

TWIN FALLS, Idaho -- "CAFTA is NAFTA on steroids," said Kent Snyder, executive director of The Liberty Committee, a group whose motto is "Political Action From Principle."

Affiliated with congressional representative Ron Paul, R-Texas -- who also opposes the Central American Free Trade Agreement-Dominican Republic -- the committee holds that CAFTA-DR, like the decade-old North American Free Trade Agreement isn't really about true free trade; it's about global managed trade.

"Think about it," Snyder said. "Why does it take over 1,000 pages to define free trade?"

In administrative works for several years CAFTA would create a NAFTA-like free trade zone between the United States and six other countries -- the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica. It would erase most quotas and tariffs on imported goods and services. The trade agreement finally reached a Senate vote June 30. It passed by a narrow margin of 54-45 and moves to the House for a vote sometime next week.

Snyder said the agreement will no doubt be decided "by as little as three or four votes."

"The upcoming vote on CAFTA promises a replay of mafia-style tactics used to coerce votes from reluctant House members," he said. "Already, arms are being twisted; deals and pork payoffs are being made with your tax dollars; political threats have been issued -- and that's only the beginning."

Relinquishing U.S. sovereignty is the biggest reason to oppose CAFTA, he said.

"Then it's the economy, and the list goes down from there," he said.

Snyder referenced CAFTA-DR article 10.16.3 that "places the United States under the jurisdiction of international tribunals supervised by the United Nations."

Article 10.5.2 says international tribunals must use "customary international law" as established by "principle legal systems of the world" when deciding cases.

"CAFTA, like NAFTA, treats the U.S. Constitution like a relic," Snyder said.

Tom DeWeese, president of the American Policy Center, Warrenton, Va., said U.S. sovereignty is absolutely the No. 1 concern with CAFTA.

"Sovereignty is a question of who is in control," he said. "A nation should be in control of it own destiny and should not voluntarily relinquish that control.

"CAFTA is a danger to our independence and to our sovereignty, and it is the job of the U.S. government to protect Americans first," he said.

DeWeese said the trade agreement, like those that have gone before it are simply "a raid on our economy."

"It is a redistribution of wealth, and who has the most wealth?" he asked. "The United States does."

DeWeese said he supports free trade but not the "CAFTA truckload of regulations that tell you how to do it."

Information from the United States Trade Representative's office confirmed that CAFTA-DR countries already enjoy duty free access to the United States on up to 80 percent of their goods exported to the United States. For agriculture exports, CAFTA would reduce tariffs on many U.S goods going to Central America, but just as many would not be duty-free for at least another one to 15 years, the USTR office said.

Under the agreement, American taxpayers will also pay to develop trade with those nations. National Action Plans have been designed to identify each country's trade-capacity-building needs and funnel money from public (and private) sources ... "to make the transition and changes necessary to realize the linkage between trade and development."

Joel Gill, membership chairman for R-CALF USA, a national cattlemen's group, traveled on a fact-finding mission to Central America.

Gill said under CAFTA-DR, normal trade relations using supply quota for imports are not included.

"Beef has been declassified as a perishable and cyclical product, making it immune to 'snapbacks' or quotas of beef entering the country," he said.

Gill noted, too, that the two biggest cattle-producing countries in South America, Argentina and Brazil, could begin shipping cattle to Central America and then on to the United States under CAFTA-DR.

"We are being told that CAFTA is really the model for other trade agreements, like the Free Trade Area of the Americas," he said, adding the FTAA plans to link 34 nations -- the Western Hemisphere -- under one trade agreement.

"Brazil alone produces as much beef as the United State does," Gill said.

Observing intense poverty in some Central American countries, Gill said he isn't buying the claims of equitable trade opportunities.

"Their food-delivery system is sometimes a man on a bicycle with half a beef cutting off pieces for people to buy." That, he said, "flies in the face of all the great trading opportunities we are hearing about with CAFTA."

Idaho opposed

* Sen. Mike Crapo: Growers were not satisfied by administration promises to buy or keep out subsidized sugar entering the country under CAFTA, NAFTA, and new free trade agreements until the end of the current Farm Bill.

* Sen. Larry Craig: The United States should not trade one aspect of our economy for another. This agreement sacrifices the sugar industry -- a vital component of rural, southern Idaho.

RFB:


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cafta; freetrade; ftaa; nafta; redistribution; wealth; wto
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thanks for the ping Hedge. I see you have a few nuts responding. Some are too lazy to do their own homework. ****w'em.


41 posted on 07/09/2005 5:10:01 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)
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To: raybbr
This opens the door for all plumbers, electrician, HVAC, doctors, teachers, nurses, etc. that think that our licensing standards
I don't know that the local 'code inspector' is going to have the regulations he uses to accept or reject a contractors work 'rewritten' to fit some reduced standards or not; I kinda doubt it ...

I also doubt that the NEC (National Electrical Code) is going to "dumbed down" either. As to the schools, well, we would seem to 'be there' already (AND we've already got doctors from all over the world practicing medicine here)!

42 posted on 07/09/2005 5:23:08 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Torie

You mean we can't just raise the drawbridge, lower the porcullas, and ignore the rest of the world?


43 posted on 07/09/2005 5:34:09 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: _Jim

You don't think inspectors are paid off?? hehehe..

I can tell you a story from just last week.


RYLAND HOMES.


44 posted on 07/09/2005 5:34:14 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Reference my previous search on "globalists" - I think I may have found the ultimate source:

Alex Jones presents:
In Your Face: The Globalists' Language is Hidden in Plain View

Fascinated by symbolism and numerology, the globalists' favorite tactic is to leave blueprints to their plans "hidden in plain view."

From messages delivered to the masses through the media and films to Time Warner's all-seeing eye, we are repeatedly reminded by the illuminati themselves that they are controlling us and are omnipresent.

World leaders from Clinton to Prince William have been photographed proudly flashing the sign of the devil.

Architecture around the globe is laid out to represent their occult icons or structured based on occult numerology (like the pyramid Mitterand had constructed at the Louvre, which is made of 666 pieces of gold glass).

The New World Order's symbolism is everywhere and there are globalist fingerprints all over the September 11th attacks as well as the Madrid train bombing.

!!GASP!!
45 posted on 07/09/2005 5:34:35 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Valin

Only in our minds.


46 posted on 07/09/2005 5:34:47 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: JesseJane
You don't think inspectors are paid off?? hehehe..
From CAFTA?

It's not even in effect yet ...

DO they get 'bought off' regardless -

If Christ can be sold out/pointed out for just 30 pieces of silver by a 'friend' (Judas), ANYTHING is possible ...

47 posted on 07/09/2005 5:41:19 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
Could you try that again, and make sense next time.

But I'll try to help you this way.. Nooooooooo.. I don't think the inspector was paid off by CAFTA, since CAFTA hasn't passed quite yet. You know that right?? Also, inspectors being paid off to overlook shitty work is nothing new, but it's becoming more and more common.. If you happen to ask around for yourself.. doing your own homework is ever so valuable. See, THAT way, you can avoid the shock of the thought of such things.

Now, when it comes to illegal aliens on construction sites, I ask you to either visit one or a hundred of them in California or Texas... two states where I have witnessed it, and then ask the superintendent, IF THERE IS ONE, what happens if one guy gets fired. He'll usually say, that same guy will be working the next day at the next development down. This ain't a quality business anymore, it's quantity, and on the cheap.

But, I'm only telling ya what I've seen and learned and asked about on my own. Not that personal experience means a damn thing. Okie doke there uh /jum?
48 posted on 07/09/2005 5:51:53 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)
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To: hedgetrimmer

My Congressman, Jim Kolbe, was at our district meeting this morning. He stated that CAFTA was essential, and that the jobs created in Central America would prevent illegals from those countries from coming here seeking work.

Funny... I recall in 1993 when he said the same thing about illegal Mexicans and NAFTA. Boy, that sure worked out, didn't it.....


49 posted on 07/09/2005 5:55:34 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: JesseJane
Could you try that again, and make sense next time.
WHAT part of 'anything is possible' didn't you understand anyway?

PAYING BRIBES/accepting same and 'putting a thumb on the scale' are as old as mankind and KNOWN about by anybody with street sense, unless, of course you just fell off the turnip truck ...

50 posted on 07/09/2005 5:59:39 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim

You definitely have a problem starting a conversation in a nice way don't you?

I made a nice simple request and still you dont get it.


See ya jumbo..


51 posted on 07/09/2005 6:01:22 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)
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To: DLfromthedesert
I recall in 1993 when he said the same thing about illegal Mexicans and NAFTA. Boy, that sure worked out, didn't it....
Might I propose that those are actually people from the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica making their way through Mexico into the US?

Weak, I know, but logical and possible ...

52 posted on 07/09/2005 6:05:18 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: JesseJane
You definitely have a problem starting a conversation in a nice way don't you?
Oh yeah - it's ALL my fault!

I was *only* taking somebody else's lead, you know, from the words that look like these that were posted earlier:

Could you try that again, and make sense next time.

53 posted on 07/09/2005 6:10:11 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: hedgetrimmer
Hey hedge buddy - from that same website, www.agweekley.com comes this article:
A Laborious Agreement
- 06/17/2005
by Dean Kleckner, Truth About Trade and Technology

I'm happy to announce that the U.S. House of Representative has delivered a resounding victory for free trade. Last week, by a vote of 338-86, members rejected a proposal to withdraw from the World Trade Organization. At a time when political sentiment in Washington seems to be swinging toward protectionism, it is encouraging to see more than three-quarters of the House come down squarely on the side of international commerce.

But the result of the vote was a negative accomplishment--i.e., it avoided a manifest catastrophe, rather than achieving a positive good. As we move ahead, Congress should build on its recent record of expanding free trade with Australia , Jordan , and Morocco . It can do this by approving CAFTA-DR, an important agreement between the United States, Central America, and the Dominican Republic .

President Bush recently identified CAFTA-DR as one of his top legislative priorities. He has linked its passage to national security interests. "CAFTA is more than just a trade agreement," he said on June 6. "It is a signal of the U.S. commitment to democracy and prosperity for our neighbors."

For anybody who remembers the 1980s--a time when our hemisphere was "divided by resentment and false ideologies," as Bush put it--the stability of Central America is nothing to take for granted. The United States must do everything it can to promote freedom in these fledgling democracies. Trade is an excellent way of doing that.

The enemies of CAFTA-DR don't talk about this key point, perhaps because it's so obvious and so indisputable. Instead, they concentrate on the question of labor rights--and their concerns deserve a careful response.

...

MORE - Visit link
54 posted on 07/09/2005 6:19:48 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim

Glad you can take responsiblity there Jum.


55 posted on 07/09/2005 6:25:25 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)
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To: JesseJane

Oh, I look a little closer now at the screen and see you're a GIRL.

No wonder logic and differential invectives had such strange effects ...


56 posted on 07/09/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim

Heh. That's what I thought about you too. But I'm diverse and sensitive enough not to say it in public.


57 posted on 07/09/2005 6:41:12 PM PDT by JesseJane (2008 is TOO Late.. Toss the RINOS in 2006.. remember the Ratpack 7.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Hedgey baby, you're in with a 'good crowd' with this anti-globalists bent:
The New Anti-Globalists

By William Finnegan
Exploring the psychology of Seattle, Washington and beyond.

Beck was a sophomore at Berkeley, taking a class in international rural development. The daughter of an orthopedic surgeon, she had gone to college planning to do premed, but environmental science caught her interest ...

Beck was a brilliant student"One of these new Renaissance people, so smart they could be almost anything," a former professor of hers recalls. She was intellectually insatiable, and her eagerness to understand the dynamics of economic development propelled her into several academic fields, notably the dry, dizzying politics of international finance and trade.

...

Beck had found her strange grand passion--international trade rules--at an auspicious time. Besides the popularity of her class, there were the events last November in Seattle, where fifty thousand demonstrators shut down a major meeting of the World Trade Organization. Beck, who is twenty-seven, was a key organizer of the Seattle protests.

"The Spirit of Seattle," she says, crinkling her eyes and grinning blissfully. "Your body just tingled with hope, to be around so many people so committed to making a better world." Beck says things like "tingled with hope" and "making a better world" with no hint of self-consciousness ...

Article
58 posted on 07/09/2005 6:46:42 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim; raybbr
Recently the Attorneys General for most states met to try to figure out how all the treaties our federal government is creating (free trade treaties are written and negotiated by the unelected but they affect all our laws)should be interpreted with respect to state law.

In other words, the treaties are superceding state law, and they don't know how to reconcile this with their constitional directive as attorneys general. They are complaining they have no input when the treaties are developed and they have no idea sometimes, how to meet treaty requirements to prevent "barriers to trade" and still maintain state and local sovereignty.

The short answer is local code inspectors do have to follow international law, in the state of California, our fire codes are now United Nations treaty inspired.

California forest firefighting is directly influenced by the United Nations-inspired international fire policy of the Urban Wildland Intermix Code (UWIC) that appears in San Diego as law of the Wildland Urban Interface. This local law copied almost verbatim from the International Council on Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI), overpowers Congress and America's national sovereignty and bypasses state legislatures. More than 450 cities worldwide, including Santa Monica, California, Muncie, Indiana, and Chicago, Illinois have signed these international local government sustainable development regulations. Interface private land is scheduled soon to evolve into nature preserves or conservation corridors that link nature sanctuaries. Wildland Urban Interface firefighters invite US Fish and Wildlife experts to map potentially endangered species, and then create Habitat Conservation Plans. If your land is in an HCP, it is yours in name only.
59 posted on 07/09/2005 6:50:10 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

www.thotline.com

Let the congressmen know what you're thinking.

Steve


60 posted on 07/09/2005 6:51:51 PM PDT by Loud Mime (We want educated people voting, not indoctrinated)
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