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CAFTA threatens sovereignty
Ag Weekly ^ | Jul 08 2005 | Cathy Roemer

Posted on 07/09/2005 2:01:21 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer

TWIN FALLS, Idaho -- "CAFTA is NAFTA on steroids," said Kent Snyder, executive director of The Liberty Committee, a group whose motto is "Political Action From Principle."

Affiliated with congressional representative Ron Paul, R-Texas -- who also opposes the Central American Free Trade Agreement-Dominican Republic -- the committee holds that CAFTA-DR, like the decade-old North American Free Trade Agreement isn't really about true free trade; it's about global managed trade.

"Think about it," Snyder said. "Why does it take over 1,000 pages to define free trade?"

In administrative works for several years CAFTA would create a NAFTA-like free trade zone between the United States and six other countries -- the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica. It would erase most quotas and tariffs on imported goods and services. The trade agreement finally reached a Senate vote June 30. It passed by a narrow margin of 54-45 and moves to the House for a vote sometime next week.

Snyder said the agreement will no doubt be decided "by as little as three or four votes."

"The upcoming vote on CAFTA promises a replay of mafia-style tactics used to coerce votes from reluctant House members," he said. "Already, arms are being twisted; deals and pork payoffs are being made with your tax dollars; political threats have been issued -- and that's only the beginning."

Relinquishing U.S. sovereignty is the biggest reason to oppose CAFTA, he said.

"Then it's the economy, and the list goes down from there," he said.

Snyder referenced CAFTA-DR article 10.16.3 that "places the United States under the jurisdiction of international tribunals supervised by the United Nations."

Article 10.5.2 says international tribunals must use "customary international law" as established by "principle legal systems of the world" when deciding cases.

"CAFTA, like NAFTA, treats the U.S. Constitution like a relic," Snyder said.

Tom DeWeese, president of the American Policy Center, Warrenton, Va., said U.S. sovereignty is absolutely the No. 1 concern with CAFTA.

"Sovereignty is a question of who is in control," he said. "A nation should be in control of it own destiny and should not voluntarily relinquish that control.

"CAFTA is a danger to our independence and to our sovereignty, and it is the job of the U.S. government to protect Americans first," he said.

DeWeese said the trade agreement, like those that have gone before it are simply "a raid on our economy."

"It is a redistribution of wealth, and who has the most wealth?" he asked. "The United States does."

DeWeese said he supports free trade but not the "CAFTA truckload of regulations that tell you how to do it."

Information from the United States Trade Representative's office confirmed that CAFTA-DR countries already enjoy duty free access to the United States on up to 80 percent of their goods exported to the United States. For agriculture exports, CAFTA would reduce tariffs on many U.S goods going to Central America, but just as many would not be duty-free for at least another one to 15 years, the USTR office said.

Under the agreement, American taxpayers will also pay to develop trade with those nations. National Action Plans have been designed to identify each country's trade-capacity-building needs and funnel money from public (and private) sources ... "to make the transition and changes necessary to realize the linkage between trade and development."

Joel Gill, membership chairman for R-CALF USA, a national cattlemen's group, traveled on a fact-finding mission to Central America.

Gill said under CAFTA-DR, normal trade relations using supply quota for imports are not included.

"Beef has been declassified as a perishable and cyclical product, making it immune to 'snapbacks' or quotas of beef entering the country," he said.

Gill noted, too, that the two biggest cattle-producing countries in South America, Argentina and Brazil, could begin shipping cattle to Central America and then on to the United States under CAFTA-DR.

"We are being told that CAFTA is really the model for other trade agreements, like the Free Trade Area of the Americas," he said, adding the FTAA plans to link 34 nations -- the Western Hemisphere -- under one trade agreement.

"Brazil alone produces as much beef as the United State does," Gill said.

Observing intense poverty in some Central American countries, Gill said he isn't buying the claims of equitable trade opportunities.

"Their food-delivery system is sometimes a man on a bicycle with half a beef cutting off pieces for people to buy." That, he said, "flies in the face of all the great trading opportunities we are hearing about with CAFTA."

Idaho opposed

* Sen. Mike Crapo: Growers were not satisfied by administration promises to buy or keep out subsidized sugar entering the country under CAFTA, NAFTA, and new free trade agreements until the end of the current Farm Bill.

* Sen. Larry Craig: The United States should not trade one aspect of our economy for another. This agreement sacrifices the sugar industry -- a vital component of rural, southern Idaho.

RFB:


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cafta; freetrade; ftaa; nafta; redistribution; wealth; wto
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To: hedgetrimmer

It is a matter of contract, subject to termination at any time. It is done for prudential economic and policy reasons.


21 posted on 07/09/2005 3:39:15 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: Torie

Definately economic reality has a way of going around politics one way or another. Sort of like the Soviet Union was defeated.

We see as America stalls with special interest groups financing opposition to DR-CAFTA, foreign nations like China are moving into the region.


22 posted on 07/09/2005 3:49:57 PM PDT by ran15
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To: Torie

Also a factor was the revolutionaries didn't overthrow England's property ownership in America. If you look at British worldwide investment returns from about 1750-1900, slightly over 50% were made in America.


23 posted on 07/09/2005 3:53:13 PM PDT by ran15
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To: ran15
Indeed, the protection of that investment, and America as a future trading partner, tended to deflect the British army from a scorched earth policy, in an attempt to starve them into submission policy. They were unable to demonize and dehumanize Americans into mere objects. Their heart was just not really into it.
24 posted on 07/09/2005 3:57:23 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: Torie
Anyone who thinks they have an economic policy to lift Latin American out of the economic cesspool is A. Nuts B. BS'ing themselves C. Has an agenda that does not bode well for this nation.
These 1000 page trade agreements are nothing more than the lobbyists flexing their muscle and showing off that the cash given them is well spent.
Buy American, the job you save will be your own!!!
25 posted on 07/09/2005 3:58:38 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: Torie; A. Pole; Nowhere Man
It is a matter of contract, subject to termination at any time. It is done for prudential economic and policy reasons.

You really didn't answer the question at all. But let me ask you this-- when did the government tell the citizens of this country they would lose their rights to representative government when the "free trade" agreements were signed? Did they ever? Do you think that a government that is supposed to protect the rights of individuals should be contracting those rights out to international tribunals and foreign governments without their permission? What you just told me is that the government signed a contract with a foreign entity that gives away citizen rights, but its OK because its only a contract subject to termination? You obviously think that the federal goverment can trade away our rights and sovereignty at their pleasure. Maybe thats the conspiracy going on in our government, it certainly is at the heart of the corruption we are seeing at every level. Problem is, I just don't think the American people put so little value as you think on their rights. They are going to want them back. Then what chaos or war will ensue because of your beliefs and the actions of the globalists that have infected our government?

Oh I get it now. "Free trade" means the government is free to trade away our rights. OK got it.
26 posted on 07/09/2005 4:01:28 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: investigateworld

Maybe this will help.

"Free trade" means the government is free to trade away our rights. Thats it in a nutshell.


27 posted on 07/09/2005 4:02:31 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Could it be that the Bilderberg Group are really the ones running our country?


28 posted on 07/09/2005 4:05:47 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: Torie
Economics simply overwhelms any rampart, always has, always will. Putting your finger in the dike is futile.

You mean money is your god and nothing like patriotism, freedom or liberty will stand in your way to get your fingers on as much of it as you can...

29 posted on 07/09/2005 4:08:52 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: Iscool

The comment was meant to be more macro than micro Iscool. I will make good money either way. I'm a lawyer. I work off the frictions in the system, any system. In that sense, my economic interests are catholic. It has nothing to do with me.


30 posted on 07/09/2005 4:11:49 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Wow! This reads like a DU thread. Maybe it's true that the political spectrum is shaped like a horseshoe, where those on the extreme right and those on the extreme left end up sounding a lot like each other.


31 posted on 07/09/2005 4:20:49 PM PDT by opinionator
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To: opinionator
Maybe it's true that the political spectrum is shaped like a horseshoe, where those on the extreme right and those on the extreme left end up sounding a lot like each other.

And what is the difference between Clinton and GWB in matters of "free" trade?

32 posted on 07/09/2005 4:22:55 PM PDT by A. Pole (For today's Democrats abortion and "gay marriage" are more important that the whole New Deal legacy.)
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To: ran15
foreign nations like China are moving into the region

The Roosevelt corollary to the Monroe Doctrine prevented this for many years.

Then the globalists decided that China should be built up. Nixon started it, Carter rolled out the red carpet to China to the Panama canal. It was decided by the globalists that China need to have its trade capacity built up so that the United States would no longer be the only superpower. They funneled billions if not trillions of dollars into a communist nation to build power plants, roads and subsidized tech manufacturers like Motorola to relocate there.

Now they are telling the American people to take it in the teeth because if we don't give up our sovereignty to an international trade tribunal and the CAFTA nations, China will get into the central American manufacturing base.

No lucid person can believe that what the globalists are doing is good for American.
33 posted on 07/09/2005 4:25:02 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
From another thread:“Cross-border trade in services or cross-border supply of services means the supply of a service…by a national of a party in the territory of another party.” The agreement goes on to say that the U.S. must ensure that, “measures relating to qualification requirements and procedures, technical standards and licensing requirements do not constitute unnecessary barriers to trade in services,” and are “not in themselves a restriction on the supply of the service.”

This also means that licensing standards here in the U.S. that any foreigner deems "unnecessary barriers to trade in services" will be challenged in the court of international law.

This opens the door for all plumbers, electrician, HVAC, doctors, teachers, nurses, etc. that think that our licensing standards constitute a barrier to their finding a job will challenge them. And, probably win. Do you want a Guatemalan wiring your home? Or an Ecuadoran nurse taking care of you in ICU? Neither of which have passed any kind of testing of their knowledge here in the U.S.?<

Tancredo Blasts CAFTA’s Back Door Immigration Provisions
34 posted on 07/09/2005 4:28:57 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: opinionator
This reads like a DU thread

You would be the expert on that, not me.

But tell me, on the DU threads do they defend representative government and freedom of association?
35 posted on 07/09/2005 4:32:15 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Snyder said the agreement will no doubt be decided "by as little as three or four votes."

Hopefully this time it's on the side of the American people and not the globalists.

36 posted on 07/09/2005 4:50:07 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: opinionator
Wow! This reads like a DU thread. Maybe it's true that the political spectrum is shaped like a horseshoe, where those on the extreme right and those on the extreme left end up sounding a lot like each other.
Sad, but true by observation I would say.

Take for instance a 'raving nutter' we used to have around here prior to Y2K named "Uncle Bill". He posted relentlessly about "Y2K Internment Camps" and federal takeover of business!

37 posted on 07/09/2005 4:57:54 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: hedgetrimmer
No lucid person can believe that what the globalists are doing is good for American.
Um, 1) who are "the globalists" and 2) what is their stated purpose?

3) Are they under every rock?

(Some of us have been busy lately and may have missed the memo on that one ...)

38 posted on 07/09/2005 5:00:31 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Torie
Thank you for that honesty. Now quick.... name an industry that insures high pay for it's member by restricting entry into the craft via use of legislative authority?
Free Trade ...? I'll give you a hint. The HMFIC name is Robert Grey
39 posted on 07/09/2005 5:00:50 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Wait - I found this while doing a quick Gooooogle search:
The Globalists and the Islamists:

Fomenting the "Clash of Civilizations" for a New World Order

At www.redmoonrising.com/Ikhwan/Clash.htm

They include a "A checklist of evidence that contradicts the "official version" of 9-11. Updated January 9, 2005."

40 posted on 07/09/2005 5:05:15 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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