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Paving the Way for Euthanasia - (Terri Schiavo case; "too damaged to stay alive:" O'Reilly)
A.I.M.ORG ^ | JULY 8, 2005 | CLIFF KINCAID

Posted on 07/08/2005 3:20:37 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Much has been said or written about the Terri Schiavo case, but the bottom line is that there was no moral justification for killing her because she had an inherent right to life and there was no clear evidence that she wanted food and water withdrawn. The morally correct course of action would have been to let her family take care of her. Nobody would have been harmed by that. Indeed, as radio host Julian Tepper points out, even if she had wanted to exercise a right to die, the autopsy results showed that she was not in a position to really know what was happening to her. So, therefore, what harm would have been done by letting her family take care of her until she died a natural death?

The clear facts of the case show there was something else at work here. And it is an issue that Bill O'Reilly on the FOX News Channel sometimes raised. As O'Reilly put it, "The medical evidence is just too overwhelming to justify keeping her on life support at taxpayer expense."

So that is what it comes down to. If the ultimate rationale for the Schiavo killing is that it would have cost too much to keep her alive, then we are all at risk.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: care; cost; euthanasia; expenditure; feeding; terrischiavo
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As O'Reilly put it, "The medical evidence is just too overwhelming to justify keeping her on life support at taxpayer expense."

Did O'Reilly forget that Michael Schiavo pocketed the money he received from his malpractice suit, and left Terri's hospice expenses to Florida taxpayers?

1 posted on 07/08/2005 3:20:39 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

I don't remember hearing O'Reilly say that, but I do remember him saying that Terri's husband could have defused the situation and come out looking better by allowing her parents to take her home and care for her.


2 posted on 07/08/2005 3:26:32 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: CHARLITE; 8mmMauser

When we start killing people simply because they're inconvenient, we've lost our humanity. O'Reilly's quote tells me a lot about him, and none of it is good.


3 posted on 07/08/2005 3:43:40 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: CHARLITE
O'Smiley is too damaged to stay on the air. We simply can not afford him any longer.

Cut off his (food)funds.

4 posted on 07/08/2005 6:46:35 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: CHARLITE; TAdams8591; muawiyah; Ms Jeezlooweez; Texas Songwriter; Future Useless Eater; STARWISE; ..

Ping


5 posted on 07/08/2005 8:16:29 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: CHARLITE
It's clear to anyone that O'Reilly is too brain and conscience-impaired to 'deserve to stay alive'. He's a moral and a mental 'vegetable'...a useless eater of air and air time.

"Hey, Bill! How does it feel to be dehumanized by capricious human fiat?? See how easy this is?? No, I didn't think you did..."

6 posted on 07/08/2005 8:24:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?")
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To: DTogo
That is what I remember. I don't think Bill O'Reilly said anything like that. He might have been quoting someone else. He is Catholic and I don't believe that he considers euthanasia or anything like starvation and dehydration a moral answer.
7 posted on 07/08/2005 8:36:24 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: CHARLITE
I think you should email Bill O'Reilly and ask him if that is what he said and in that context. I don't believe he said it. I listen to him all of the time, and I don't remember his saying anything like that.
8 posted on 07/08/2005 8:38:34 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: CHARLITE
As O'Reilly put it, "The medical evidence is just too overwhelming to justify keeping her on life support at taxpayer expense."


"This person suffering from hereditary
defects costs the people 60,000
Reichmarks during his lifetime. People,
that is your money. Read 'New People'."

9 posted on 07/08/2005 8:48:28 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Goodgirlinred; CHARLITE; DTogo
I think you should email Bill O'Reilly and ask him if that is what he said and in that context. I don't believe he said it. I listen to him all of the time, and I don't remember his saying anything like that.

Hi there, GGIR... I thought perhaps that was the case...but see the quote here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151122,00.html

. On the other hand...check out the context...

Enter Congress, who's passed a law affirming the family's right to federal protection. So now the feds will decide the case. Predictably, the left-wing press is aghast. Today "The L.A. Times" blamed the whole thing on those radical right-wingers, calling the new law a "constitutional coup d'etat."

But a funny thing happened on the way to Liberalville. Every one of the liberal senators failed to show up to block the law. And any of them could have. All of them sat it out in a stunning display of partisan silence.

That happened, despite a new ABC News poll that says a majority of Americans agree that Terri Schiavo's 15 years of technological life should be ended.

In the end, that will happen, I believe. The medical evidence is just too overwhelming to justify keeping her on life support at taxpayer expense. But I'm glad Congress stepped up and voted to give her and her family every benefit of the doubt.

All life is worthy. And that should be a defining message for America.

And that's "The Memo."
Does that sound contradictory? hmmm...
10 posted on 07/08/2005 8:53:40 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Nope, it does not sound contradictory. Bill was saying what he "believed" would happen. He did not say it was his opinion that she was "too damaged to stay alive at taxpayers' expense.

He said "All life has value. And that's the memo for today."

He was affirming that all life does indeed have value. He was in no way suggesting that people should be put to death in order to save taxpayers' money.


11 posted on 07/08/2005 9:01:39 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

This article blurs the distinction between voluntary and involuntary euthanasia. If a person is, for example, in great pain and wants to die, I don't think there's a problem with allowing him to receive his escape. And if it can be allowed for the Abled, then I think that *voluntary* euthanasia should be allowed, to assist those who can't do it themselves.

But the article uses revulsion at involuntary euthanasia to fight against all euthanasia.


12 posted on 07/08/2005 9:20:22 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Earthdweller

Thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 07/08/2005 9:23:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Gondring
I believe that if one is in great physical pain from a terminal disease such as cancer, most doctors will allow the patient to have enough pain medicine to ease them on out into the next life. This is not euthanasia per se, but it just eases the way.

I don't think that you will find many medical practitioners who will want to actively euthanize patients. Also, what one may think he wants one day may not be what he would want the next. Euthanasia reminds me too much of suicide.
14 posted on 07/08/2005 9:26:20 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: CHARLITE
As O'Reilly put it, "The medical evidence is just too overwhelming to justify keeping her on life support at taxpayer expense."

Except that her parents wanted to take her home and pay for her care.
Wow. O'Reilly is a real scumbag.
"Kill, kill, kill....!"

"(It's sick out there and getting sicker." - - Bob Grant)

15 posted on 07/08/2005 9:28:57 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MizSterious
O'Reilly's quote tells me a lot about him, and none of it is good.

Very well put.

16 posted on 07/08/2005 9:31:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Goodgirlinred

Good post, goodgirlinred.

"Euthanasia reminds me too much of suicide."

Actually, euthanasia IS suicide, and then there's FORCED euthanasia, which is murder.


17 posted on 07/08/2005 9:33:48 PM PDT by Sun (Call the U.S. SELL-OUT senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762 & give 'em "heck.")
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To: Gondring

Good detective work, thanks.


18 posted on 07/08/2005 9:34:43 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Goodgirlinred

What is considered "acceptable" for suicide or euthanasia changes based on culture...and not just from place to place, but time to time.

Early Christians (in the 500 years before the Council of Braga) hurled themselves from cliffs to get immediately to heaven with their Lord rather than be vain and cling to this materialistic world. During the past few centuries, poverty was understood as the appropriate reason for offing onesself (altruistically not being a burden on others). Then, in Romantic times, the poverty angle was considered base...but it was truly beautiful to die for lost or unrequited love! Now, it's "terminal illness"....what will tomorrow bring "suicide is only for those who are rich enough to afford it to be lavish" or something?

Many doctors HAVE compassion and have actively euthanized patients...it's just not talked about openly.



19 posted on 07/08/2005 9:41:50 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Sun

Thank you. Yes, forced euthanasia is murder. I think it should be prosecuted as such.


20 posted on 07/08/2005 9:44:37 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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