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I resent your success. I hate you and your kind. So I bomb you
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 07/09/05 | Roger Scruton

Posted on 07/08/2005 1:35:55 PM PDT by Pokey78

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1 posted on 07/08/2005 1:35:56 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

Murdoch paper is kicking-in.


2 posted on 07/08/2005 1:39:51 PM PDT by USAfearsnobody (S.C.O.T.U.S. -- Supreme Court Out of Touch with United States)
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To: Pokey78

As Hussein Massawi, former leader of Hezbollah, neatly put it, "We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you."


3 posted on 07/08/2005 1:42:13 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Pokey78
This is great. This demonstrates to the Londoners how the Muslims really are beyond the crocodile tears. Blame everyone else!
4 posted on 07/08/2005 1:42:47 PM PDT by tobyhill (Muslim Motto; Condemn Today, Celebrate Tomorrow)
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"In dealing with terrorism you are confronting a resentment that is not concerned to improve the lot of anyone, but only to destroy the thing it hates. That is what appeals in terrorism, since hatred is a much easier and less demanding emotion to live by than love, . . ."

Am I the only one that believes this sentence describes the dummycrats and their hate for President Bush?


5 posted on 07/08/2005 1:44:15 PM PDT by standing united (82nd ABN 1/508th BN Bco 1st Sqd. Alpha Fireteam Leader: "fury from the sky" 8-Duce on the Loose!!)
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To: Pokey78
if that is so, it is time for Muslims to organise against those who preach resentment in the name of their religion, and who regard the crimes of last Thursday as virtuous deeds, performed with God's blessing, in a holy cause.

Ain't gonna happen...

I believe it's akin to asking Germany or Japan to surrender in WWII. We had to firebomb one and use the Atomic bomb on the other. IMHO, they will not surrender until they are thoroughly beaten and humiliated.

6 posted on 07/08/2005 1:44:45 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Pokey78

Well written article. Nietzsche is a great thinker, despite his many eccentricities, and later insanity. He has many very poignant insights into human nature, and this was a particularly interesting one. But your point about how many of these terrorists, especially Al Qu'eda, are the middle class pioneers who should have been who instead chose a faster path glory is a critically important point to be understood. By their actions, AND by their inactions, these men who blame the problems of the Arab world on the West are themselves causes for the problems of the Arab world. Not all Muslims and Muslim countries are doing badly these days, and hundreds of millions do not support terrorism. In fact, many Muslim countries are slowlw climbing out of their economic death spiral. But very few of the Arab Muslim countries are. Why is that? Perhaps it's because they are looking for an easy, faster way out. And the individuals who should be leading them to success are leading them instead to destruction.

That is why the development of a moderate, Muslim middle class is critical. Because then, they could offer an alternative, with tangible benefits. "Ok, young Achmed, you COULD go join up with Al-Zarqawi and become a martyr, and kill infidel Christians or Jews or your own people: you see those chunky kibbles on al-Jazeera? That's what you'll look like. And that will bring retribution down on EVERYONE's heads and we all lose, and you will be responsible for your community becoming a charred pile of ash. Or...You could go to medical school, help your fellow Muslims (as the Koran says), heal them, make a wad while doing so and contribute to both your community and your own success. In doing so, you could live well, help your family live well, help your people live better AND be a shining example to others, as well as proof that the Islamic faith does not demand you blow yourself and innocent people up to be righteous."

To most of us, it would not be a hard choice. To many in the ME, because of the lack of an established moderate middle class, it is. Martyrdom offers instant glory. A chance to strike at those who are successful, to become a hero (martyr collectible baseball cards in the West Bank are just sickening), and venting your own rage.


7 posted on 07/08/2005 1:50:10 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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Let's say that I'm perched on a high precipice that I climbed up on by myself. Let's say that a 'less fortunate' individual resents my high position and insists that I throw him a rope and hoist him up beside me. Foolish infidel that I am, I do just that. As he clambers up beside me, he grins...and then pushes me off the edge, shouting 'allahu akhbar' as I plunge to my death.

You see, he didn't resent my position at all; he resented the fact that it was me, and not him, who was in my position. And he found a way to take my position from me without doing the hard work associated with climbing up on his own. The calculus is simple: if you can steal something with impunity, why build it yourself or work for it? Mohammed figured that out many centuries ago, and his koranic jottings lay out his plans for stealing the world away from its rightful owners.

8 posted on 07/08/2005 1:52:05 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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Time for rest: read 'it was I, and not he,' for 'it was me, and not him,' in my previous posting.


9 posted on 07/08/2005 1:55:10 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Pokey78

The only way to stop a terrorist is to eliminate the terrorist from the face of the earth. People who think that you can placate terrorist, who believe as these devils do, are idiots.


10 posted on 07/08/2005 1:59:43 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Pokey78

Great Cartoon video


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11 posted on 07/08/2005 2:00:26 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Pokey78

It's not even as complicated as the article tries to make it. They don't resent us. They just want to convert us or kill us. Following a religion started by a demon-possessed pedophile will do that to you.


12 posted on 07/08/2005 2:03:28 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (When in doubt, cite the Commerce Clause)
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To: Pokey78

I have always thought the reason so many hate America is because they envy us.


13 posted on 07/08/2005 2:04:04 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Alexander Rubin; Pokey78

Excellent article. I agree with you on Nietzsche - sometimes a nutcase, sometimes a very perceptive thinker.

However, I think there is a significant difference between the AQ terrorists and the others named in the article. Most of the latter are Marxist-inspired (the IRA is NOT Catholic, but Marxist, and the same is true of ETA, regardless of their origins), and Marxism is the quintessential philosophy of resentment.

However, AQ is inspired by Islam, which is conquest-based. It has morphed so that it now includes resentment-based political philosophies (hence the attractiveness of Islam to left-wingers). But if you look at the history of Islam, you will see that its pattern since its inception has been violence and conquest - Mohammed was, after all, a bandit, and lived a violent life in a violent, disintegrating period.

Islam becomes strong when its targets become weak, which is essentially what has happened with the collapse of Western civilization (and particularly with the collapse of the Church in the West after Vatican II). Islam has fortuitously joined up with Western-originated resentment movements, partly because people from Muslim hell-holes must wonder why their countries don't prosper and instead of blaming their crazed religion and corrupt rulers, are inspired by the leftists and find it easier to blame the West. But mostly Islam is violent and full of anger and resentment simply because that is its nature. And when it senses weakness in its prey, it acts in accordance with its nature.


14 posted on 07/08/2005 2:15:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: yarddog

Inside the mind of a terrorist, like these ones, also lurks the mind of a vandal. Someone incapable of creating something great or good and who KNOWS IT!! Therefore what better way to get back at the successful societies than by killing and wrecking what the successful societies have achieved. So-called experts can rant on about Israel, Iraq, and our backing dictators, but for me I truly believe that much of the terror and destruction the Islamo-fascists create is due to simple resentment. We are successes, and they are failures. They know it, and they can't stand it. Misery loves company.


15 posted on 07/08/2005 2:16:40 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
The one problem with what you've written is that the terrorists are right about what is expected of a Muslim. The ultimate goal of the religion is to be the only accepted religion and only form of government since it's actually both. To believe anything else is not to believe all the words of the prophet and since they're supposed to be the words of God how can they be wrong? In other a middle class Muslim who does as you say can exist, but in reality he can't be against what the terrorists are doing or he's denying Mohammed's words. The only way to get rid of terrorists is to kill them and cause the downfall of the religious states that support them and until we realize that we will have terrorism and our way of life is in danger.
16 posted on 07/08/2005 2:17:29 PM PDT by whershey
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No you are not. That was my first thought when I read the title I thought of the RATS first.


17 posted on 07/08/2005 2:26:50 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: Pokey78

Wow. This is both brilliant and disturbing in pinning down the enormous task we have before us: confronting never-changing human nature. Good luck.


18 posted on 07/08/2005 2:29:27 PM PDT by quesney
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To: frogjerk
I believe it's akin to asking Germany or Japan to surrender in WWII.

It's worse than that: Germany and Japan had, at least militarily, entirely rational reasons for behaving as they did. Both countries had a legitimate shot at grabbing and holding huge and powerful empires over a fair chunk of the globe. Unlike al Qaeda, they weren't entirely incapable of listening to reason.

19 posted on 07/08/2005 2:33:39 PM PDT by Physicist
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bttt


20 posted on 07/08/2005 2:38:39 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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