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Muslim Cleric Urged London Attacks
NewsMax.com ^ | July 8, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 07/08/2005 1:22:15 PM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

As Londoners recover from bombing attacks that left 50 people dead and 1,000 wounded yesterday, suspicion is focusing on a radical Muslim cleric who urged his flock to commit suicide bombing attacks in Britain and preached anti-Semitic hate from his mosque in Finsbury Park.

Abu Hamza al-Masri went on trial in London this week, charged by British officials with incitement to murder and other terrorist offenses.

But the activities of his followers - like convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid and the so-called 20th hijacker, Zacarias Moussaoui - suggest that Hamza's rhetoric may have helped spur new attacks.

For years before his Finsbury Park mosque was shut down in 2003, Hamza preached jihad, urging his followers to carry out suicide attacks against British citizens. "Our immediate duty now is to correct our own homeland," Hamza urged, according to tapes released to the British press in April 2004.

"You don't have to travel thousands and thousands of miles to become a shaheed [martyr] - you can be shaheed right on your own doorstep. This is the best jihad."

After the 9/11 attacks, Hamza could barely contain his delight, proclaiming: "Many people will be happy, jumping up and down. America is a crazy superpower and what was done was done in self-defense."

Labour MP Andrew Dismore, who has pleaded with British officials for years to deport Hamza, said his recorded statements "reveal the truth and confirm what a lot of us have been saying for some time. They show that he is a racist, anti-Semitic and a supporter of terrorism."

Even after British officials closed his mosque, Hamza continued to advocate suicide attacks.

"Seek the way of death; try to do actions that subject you to death," he told an audience of mostly young men shortly before his arrest last year. "If you die to defend your religion, you are a martyr."

U.S. prosecutors have also charged Hamza in connection with a hostage-taking in Yemen six years ago and an attempt to set up a terror training camp in Bly, Oregon.


TOPICS: Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bombings; finsburypark; hamza; islamofascism; jihadinengland; koranimals; london; londonattacked; moussaoui; reid; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; religionoftolerance; shoebomber; ukmuslims
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To: Carl/NewsMax
"You don't have to travel thousands and thousands of miles to become a shaheed [martyr] - you can be shaheed right on your own doorstep."

i.e., 'shaheed' happens....allah fubar!

21 posted on 07/08/2005 2:34:52 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: tbpiper

It's time for the Jihadist vermin to be semt back in the sh*thole countries from whence they came, and if they cause trouble from there, they can be dealt with accordingly.

We cannot have these savages living amongst us.


22 posted on 07/08/2005 2:37:59 PM PDT by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatpat

Is it possible that it didn't occur to anybody in Special Branch that some of al-Masri's followers might be, uh, peeved about the beginning of his trial? Let's hope not.


23 posted on 07/08/2005 2:40:26 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Carl/NewsMax

We will either stop this type of hate-speech from taking place in our own front yard, or we are doomed.

We will either realize that these 'people' are 1) crazy and 2) willing to die in order to kill us, and then seriously put them down, or we are doomed.

We will either tell the sympathizers to shut the hell up or we will die with them.

These are not predictions, these are current events.

How do you talk a suicide bomber out of blowing himself up? Answer: you don't. You just back up.


24 posted on 07/08/2005 2:40:44 PM PDT by mad puppy ( "He's with me!" And I'm with W.)
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To: BallyBill
I heard audio last night of some of these rants. ANY media outlet that doesn't play them over and over again is a bunch of sympathizers or just plain "chickens**t"

Where'd you hear the audio? Was it in English?

25 posted on 07/08/2005 2:42:10 PM PDT by Carl/NewsMax
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To: JimSEA
"How can you try ad admitted terrorist for inciting terror at a time when the general population is so irrationally angry at Islamic terrorism."

Soon they will be insanely angry. Wait till the ACLU scumbag sees THAT!!

26 posted on 07/08/2005 2:42:12 PM PDT by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: Carl/NewsMax
This guy:


27 posted on 07/08/2005 2:44:44 PM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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A Journal of Catholic News and Views
18 Jan 2002
Muslim Persecution of Catholics

The violence perpetuated by the "religion of peace"

As the Catholic Church finds new ways to approach the issue of "world peace", it is faced with an unfortunate reality: currently no religious group in the world is subjected to more violence and persecution than Christians. While the Church has been instrumental in eliminating the "discrimination" towards other religions in formerly Catholic countries, not all of those other religions have followed suit.

In particular, the cult of Islam which is now referred to by confused Catholics as a "religion of peace", has shown little sign of letting up on its fourteen-hundred year campaign to eliminate Christianity. While the Pope welcomed the construction of a mosque in Rome almost completely financed by Saudi royalty, the construction of a Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia is strictly forbidden. Measures Catholic nations used to take to prevent the spread of error are subjected to the harsh condemnation of both secular revisionists and modern Catholics alike. But those same tactics employed in the Arabian counties of the Middle East are ignored out of a relativist sense of "tolerance".

The Church has decided to stop fighting its enemies in the interests of "religious liberty" and "dialogue", but its enemies have made no such concession:

The Church has chosen the road of negotiation and is "leading" by example, but such tactics appear to deny a fundamental and obvious truth not lost on the over one billion Muslims: the opposite of truth is error and error has no rights. Error is not something to be flattered, negotiated with, tolerated or accepted. It is offense to God and man and must be eliminated through conversion. The Muslims beliefs are false but their grasp of such a simple concept is irrefutable.

The relativism that considers all religions more or less good is a product of man, not God. The followers of Mohammed are right to completely reject the "enlightened" ideas of modern philosophy as every pre-Vatican II Pope did. Unless the Catholic Church is able to reclaim this truth for itself, it will find itself in an impossible position: having to defend itself from an enemy which Catholics were raised to believe is an innocent and peaceful ally.

There are many examples of persecution of Catholics at the hand of Muslims. Three areas of the world will be examined here.

Pakistan

Recently, a highly-publicized recent massacre in a Pakistani Catholic Church has caused many local Catholics to stay home on Sundays rather than risk a repeat of such a violent attack. Christians comprise less than 3% of the almost exclusively Muslim population of Pakistan.

On October 26, Pakistani newspapers printed the al-Qaeda demand for the death of two Christians in retaliation for every Muslim killed in the U.S. military strikes on Afghanistan. Two days later, masked gunmen opened fire on in a Church in Bahawalpur, putting 142 bullets into the walls, windows and altar and killing fifteen:

The investigation into the affair was big on political statements but lacking on effort: True to their words, the Bahawalpur attacks really were "just the beginning". Nine days, later another shooting occurred: and two days after that: Not only did these Muslim terrorists fail to get the Pope's message that "authentic" Islam is a "religion of peace", but they completely missed President Bush's insistence that "this is not a holy war".

Indonesia

Over the past two years, Muslim extremists have been waging a Jihad against Christians in the Moluccas region of Indonesia, bombing churches, burning homes and killing over 9,000 people.

On November 1st, militant forces trampled through the village of Waimulang, torching 350 homes and displacing over 1,000 people.6

On November 20th, nine Christians merchants were shot down in their boat while bringing goods to the shore.7

On November 26th, Muslim militants fought to overtake a Catholic educational compound and disabled children's center (!) so as to make it their military base:

Meanwhile, in the Sulawesi region of Indonesia, over 50,000 Christians are been forced to flee their homes to escape the violent Muslim militia. On December 20th, a peace agreement was signed between Muslim and Christian leaders, putting an end to the violence for almost two weeks. On January 1st, four churches were bombed.10

To make matters even worse, the Sulawesi region has also been host to al-Qaeda terrorist camps:

Given the past track record of the Indonesian government and army with regards to Christians, the efforts to stop the violence have been understandably slow. In December of 1975, the Indonesian army invaded the small Catholic country of East Timor beginning a bloody twenty-five year occupation that ended in a post-election slaughter of thousands. At the time of their withdrawal in 1999, the Indonesian army had killed an estimated 200,000 Timorese (one-third of the original population) and still detains an estimated 100,000 as political prisoners.12

Sudan

In the northern states of Sudan, the Muslim majority has been working to implement the Muslim Sharia law which includes such things as stoning for adultery, the illegality of any Christian worship or "proselytism" and the relegation of women to second-class citizens.

Christians have been protesting against the imposition of these laws and accompanying "Islamization" of the country by the Khartoum government, but have faced increasing violence. Rather than risk having their children seized and forced into slavery, many have fled to the predominately Christian southern states, which are receiving more refugees than they can handle:

With the body count now exceeding 2 million, the Sudanese civil war has been the bloodiest Africa has seen in decades.

In a supposed exchange for information on the terrorist attacks, the U.S. has removed obstacles to the lifting of UN sanctions — a move which seems to reward the oppressive Khartoum government. An open letter to the president signed by dozens of religious leaders and human rights activists rightfully criticized the move:

This was certainly a strange reward, but merely a prelude of the Bush Jr. administration's "policy" on China's human rights record. It's also a little ironic considering the ties between Sudan and bin Laden. According to Bishop Cesare Mazzolari of southern Sudan: The spread of Islam in the African nations is cause for great concern: Such a pattern has been more often the rule than the exception whenever the Muslim population becomes the majority. With Western European birthrates plummeting and the Muslim population and immigration surging without limits, it is not unthinkable to see the same "pattern" repeat itself in the heart of Western Civilization.

Conclusion

Father Vincent Serralda, a French priest who lived among Muslims in North Africa for fifty years, prepared a study analyzing the Koran and warning French families of the danger of Islam. He wrote in the preface:

Faced with such overwhelming evidence of the violent nature of Islam, both historically and throughout the modern world, how is it possible to maintain that Islam is a "peaceful" religion? While the Church is held responsible for launching the Crusades, Islam is not held accountable for the Turks' acts of terrorism which prompted them. The same double-standard exists today. Militant Muslims murdering millions of Christians in the name of their religion is not seen as any sort of problem with the false religion of Islam, but the misguided actions of a few radicals who misunderstand the "true" and "authentic" Islam.

And what is "authentic" Islam? One need look no further than the beliefs of their human founder himself:

Our Lady of Victory, Pray for Us.

Peter W. Miller
Seattle, WA
1/18/2002

FOOTNOTES:
1 From the Interventionis in scriptis on 13 October 1999 of His Eminence Mgr Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, OFM, Archbishop of Smyrna, at the Synod of European Bishops
2 ZENIT, "Christians in Pakistan Fear a 'Christmas Bloodbath'" (12/5/2001)
3 Ibid.
4 Ibid.
5 Ibid.
6 FIDES, "New Attacks by Muslim Extremists on Christians in Indonesia" (11/9/2001)
7 ZENIT, "9 Christians Shot Dead in Indonesia" (1/12/2001)
8 CWNews, "Indonesian Catholics Under Siege by Jihad Forces" (11/26/2001)
9 ZENIT, "Indonesian Christians Suffering New Attacks" (12/8/2001)
10 ZENIT, "4 Churches Bombed in Indonesia" (1/2/2002)
11 CWNews, "Indonesia says al-Qaeda Set Up Camps in Sulawesi" (12/13/2001)
12 Source: East Timor Action Network
13 FIDES, "Thousands Face Death in Sudan for Lack of Water" (1/11/2002)
14 ZENIT, "Letter to Bush Regarding Rapprochment with Sudan" (11/20/2001)
15 ZENIT, "Sudan Supports Terrorism, Bishop of Rumbek Says" (11/25/2001)
16 J. Burger, "Sudan's Christians Fight for Survival" National Catholic Register (12/2/2001)
17 Fr. J. Emily, "September 11 and the True Face of Islam" (2001)
18 Catholic Encyclopedia, "Mohammed and Mohammedanism" (1911)

28 posted on 07/08/2005 2:48:38 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Isn't treason still a crime for which the death penalty can be imposed in Britain?


29 posted on 07/08/2005 2:49:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: snarks_when_bored
You'd think that Scotland Yard might've been on the lookout for some of this bozo's followers this week, huh?

Well, that raises another question: Is Scotland Yard playing political correstness? We must not offend Muslims for advocating suicide bombers to kill civilians because they are just one of the stripes in the multicultural rainbow.

30 posted on 07/08/2005 2:55:29 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: JimSEA

And why would the ACLU have anything to do with a guy in BRITAIN? Last I checked, England was still an ocean away and separate from America.


31 posted on 07/08/2005 3:16:54 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic (The liberals and the RINOs on the SCOTUS should be impeached.)
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To: stripes1776
Is Scotland Yard playing political corre[c]tness? We must not offend Muslims for advocating suicide bombers to kill civilians because they are just one of the stripes in the multicultural rainbow.

I don't think the Yard is quite that far gone yet, but if the George Galloways and the Ken Livingstones had their druthers, it would be.

32 posted on 07/08/2005 3:18:46 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: wingnutx

We know that...


33 posted on 07/08/2005 3:22:06 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: snarks_when_bored
I don't think the Yard is quite that far gone yet, but if the George Galloways and the Ken Livingstones had their druthers, it would be.

One of the things the CIA was doing before 9/11 was making diversity quilts. FreeRepublic. How much time was wasted on this bunk of being hypersensitive to ethnicity rather than devoting resources to gathering intelligence on Islamic terrorists? I would be very surprised if Scotland Yard isn't plagued by the same superficial thinking. This nonsense makes it difficult for the truly dedicated to do serious work.

34 posted on 07/08/2005 3:39:18 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Ultra Sonic

it was a joke, bad joke but only a joke


35 posted on 07/08/2005 3:55:55 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: stripes1776
Thanks for the quilt link (that was much before my time on FR).

Had I been a CIA agent, I would've been fired the first time somebody asked me to attend a 'sensitivity seminar' or any similar séance of the insufferable.

36 posted on 07/08/2005 4:07:21 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Muslim Cleric Urged London Attacks

So kill him. Not the police, but as Michael Savage has said...just let the British soccer hooligans run wild in the Muslim areas without interference.

37 posted on 07/08/2005 4:12:26 PM PDT by montag813
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To: ArmyTeach

perhaps you do, but that doesn't mean everyone got it


38 posted on 07/08/2005 4:13:18 PM PDT by wingnutx (Seabees Can Do!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Until all Muslims known to the police as potential trouble makers are rounded up, the enemy will be free to attack continuously.
39 posted on 07/08/2005 5:30:47 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: montag813

It would be a hopeful sign if Western leaders would state just 1/10th of what Michael Savage has said regarding solutions to curbing homegrown Muslim terrorism.


40 posted on 07/08/2005 5:33:26 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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