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Londonistan No More ( A New Finest Hour? )
National Review ^ | 07/07/05 | John F.Cullinan

Posted on 07/07/2005 2:20:43 PM PDT by smoothsailing

July 07, 2005, 3:20 p.m.

Londonistan No More

A new Finest Hour?

By John F. Cullinan

As London copes with the aftermath of Thursday morning's terrorist bombings — and braces for the possibility of fresh attacks — some sobering thoughts on causes and effects come immediately to mind.

After the Madrid bombings in March 2004, London's senior police official revealed that British security services had thwarted several major terrorist attacks targeted against London. But he grimly acknowledged that "there is an inevitability that some sort of attack will get through." "This is not just about the railways, the underground," he added with eerie prescience. "It's about buses, roads, pubs, nightclubs and the like."

TARGET CHOICE

Britain's special relationship with the United States — broadened and deepened since the 9/11 attacks and its shoulder-to-shoulder collaboration in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — certainly makes the British capital a prime target for jihadists. But there are deeper causes at work, beginning with the long-time status of "Londonistan" (see here and here) as the principal mecca for various Middle East exile groups that were allowed to set up shop on condition that their activities remain focused elsewhere. Among their ranks is the extremist Egyptian cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, whose trial for incitement to murder and other terrorist offenses began this week.

A less openly acknowledged cause for concern is deep disaffection among portions of Britain's Muslim population (about 2 million of 60 million Britons). A 2002 Daily Telegraph poll found that "one in five British Muslims feels little loyalty towards Britain." As for Osama bin Laden, the same poll found that 13 percent regarded his attacks against Western targets as justified, 11 percent had no opinion one way or the other, and 26 percent denied bin Laden's responsibility. It is from this particular subgroup that nearly all of Britain's homegrown terrorist suspects have emerged, including the group arrested last August and charged with plotting attacks in London as well as in New York, Newark, and Washington.

Also relevant is the Labor government's equivocal and inadequate responses to the patent threat of Islamist terror. To take just one example, the British governing class has tied itself in knots over the fate of eleven foreign nationals detained without charges as "terrorists" engaged in "international terrorism" under the Anti-Terrorist, Crime and Security Act of 2000. It was a classic Catch-22 without any possibility of (a) prosecution under British law (without exposing intelligence sources and methods in open court); (b) deportation to the suspects' home countries under applicable European and international law (given "substantial grounds" for believing torture might ensue); or (c) deportation to third countries, with none willing to accommodate these individuals.

Britain rightly sought to justify the unsatisfactory expedient of detention without charges for this handful of manifestly dangerous men by opting out of the relevant provisions of the 1950 European Convention on Human Rights, which the Blair administration unwisely incorporated into domestic law in 1998. That convention expressly permits suspension of certain rights "in time of war or other public emergency threatening the life of the nation."

Last December Britain's highest court ruled these detentions — which the liberal chattering classes had likened to Guantanamo — incompatible with the ECHR and therefore invalid. According to one of the judges, "Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al Qaeda.... The real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of a people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws such as these."

So far Lord Hoffman, author of these irresponsible and insouciant remarks, has not been heard from in the wake of this morning's murderous attacks.

HOW WILL BRITAIN RESPOND?

Initial commentary has focused on Britain's Finest Hour, the stalwart response to the Luftwaffe Blitz. But a more relevant precedent may be the reaction to the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings (21 killed, 182 wounded), when the Irish Troubles first spilled over onto the British mainland. Parliament responded almost instantly with the draconian Prevention of Terrorism Act, which set a modern record for enactment within 48 hours of its initial introduction.

Look for Tony Blair to sever the Gordian knot manufactured by Britain's Law Lords and to take the fight to the enemy. Britain is not Spain, which responded to the Madrid attacks with surrender and appeasement. Last week Britain celebrated the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, which turned the tide against Napoleon's totalitarian project. It is to be hoped that Blair will rise to level of Nelson's exhortation that "England expects that every man will do his duty."

— John F. Cullinan formerly served as a senior foreign policy advisor to the U.S. Catholic bishops, focusing on international law, human rights, and the use of force.    

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/cullinan200507071520.asp    


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To: bernie_g

I certainly hope so. Bless them and keep them in this hard time, Britons deserve justice. As hard as they try and as good as they are, increasingly police and judicial procedures seem to fall short.


81 posted on 07/07/2005 6:39:17 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: smoothsailing
'What subtle wisdom am I missing in your words?"
On finishing the Reconquista, they forcibly expelled the remaining moslems from Spain.
82 posted on 07/07/2005 6:54:56 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob
Thanks! One thing I like about FR is the opportunity to learn!
83 posted on 07/07/2005 7:07:48 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: familyop
I'm just now getting back to this thread,since I last posted to you.Just got back from watching the Pirates beat the Phillies 2-1.

I dislike polls and pay little attention to them.

Your later posts give me a better understanding of your position.I appreciate the fact that you took the time to provide them.

My position is only this,I want the Brits to be a strong ally,I want them to be resolute in fighting their internal terrorist threat.I want the same for our country as well.

I learn alot here at FR and I'll be the first to admit I have alot to learn.

I appreciate the information you have provided,so thank you.

84 posted on 07/07/2005 7:40:08 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: cwb

"Hell, France has more stringent anti-terror/threat laws than the UK."

When I posted this I was labelled anti-Brit. But it's true and there is an important lesson here for the US.

The French give lip service to liberalism but they are quite authoritarian in deeds. They deport Muslim clerics. In the US and UK the rights of criminals and terrorists, prisoners in Gitmo, are given more importance than protecting our own, be they soldiers or civilians.

The first listed civil right is Life.


85 posted on 07/07/2005 8:00:42 PM PDT by dervish (freedom is a long distance race)
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To: smoothsailing
"My position is only this,I want the Brits to be a strong ally,I want them to be resolute in fighting their internal terrorist threat.I want the same for our country as well."

That's the best position I've seen.
86 posted on 07/07/2005 9:17:22 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Canard

How many Spanish troops were in Iraq and how many are in Afganistan now?


87 posted on 07/07/2005 9:25:18 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Betaille
Europe has a HUGE islamic problem. They won't be able to do anything about terrorism until they get their domestic muslim populations under control


I disagree. The way to change muslim behavior is to change the behavior of its leaders. Its leaders are not in Europe. The least the leaders it fears most and the leaders that have the most power are in Iran.

You send the HMS Vengeance to the Indian Ocean and have it take out Tehran. Then you request unconditional surrender from Iran. If they say no, you take out another city, so on and so forth, until they surrender or they are no more.

Muslims in Europe see this and they will understand that if they try anything, not only will they be set upon with no mercy but they will be sent back to a radioactive wasteland.

Total Destruction and Ultimatums worked with the fanatical German and Japanese of the 1940s, it will work with these fanatics too.
88 posted on 07/07/2005 9:34:08 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Betaille

Allow me to commend your post while referring you to another thread I started with a Mark Steyn article. The link is to a specific post that may interest you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438736/posts?page=20#20


89 posted on 07/07/2005 9:38:33 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: TomasUSMC

"The way to change muslim behavior is to change the behavior of its leaders. Its leaders are not in Europe."




Oh, contraire. Europe has been the bed of education and revolution for some of Islam's most influential leaders. Heck, Ayatollah Khoemini took up residence in France for something like 15 years....preaching hate, before returning to Iran for its revolution. Some of his students remained.

While I don't have the names at the top of my tongue (some have been mentioned just recently), Europe has provided the sanctuary for some of Islam's leading Sheiks, Clerics, Imans, etc to spread their vitriol under the very freedoms they were not allowed in their own countries.

Some of the most radical dissidents from the more moderate countries (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq under Saddam, since he suppressed them and even Iran at one time) ended up in Europe...and are still there preaching their hate.


90 posted on 07/08/2005 8:18:21 AM PDT by cwb
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