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1 posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:44 AM PDT by skyman
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Cool...


2 posted on 07/06/2005 8:36:10 AM PDT by devane617
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The new Steve Jobs.


3 posted on 07/06/2005 8:36:59 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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"By adopting their contraption - which taps into the electrical system, using fans to blow hot air through five Peltier chips and then releasing cold air - they say the country stands to save 3.9 billion gallons of fuel annually, or about $10 billion based on current gas prices."

Doesn't necessarily follow. The energy to charge the batteries has to come from somewhere.

Still, it's a 'cool' idea...

4 posted on 07/06/2005 8:39:22 AM PDT by null and void (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe as long as court is in session)
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The code name, Space Beast, was one they came up with in the wee hours of the night.

I would like a job coming up with code names and naming war ships.

6 posted on 07/06/2005 8:41:48 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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Peltier chips have been around for a long time. They aren't used because they are horribly inefficient when compared with a traditional heat pump, so I don't know where these guys are getting their saving gasoline figure from. The engine either has to crank the compressor to run the traditional air conditioner, or crank like crazy on the alternator to run the peltier chips.

I would bet that when you run the actual numbers, you'll find that using peltier chips actually reduces your gas mileage as the load on the alternator increases.


7 posted on 07/06/2005 8:45:09 AM PDT by frgoff
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If they have indeed found a more efficient way to generate cool air, they will be very rich.


8 posted on 07/06/2005 8:45:35 AM PDT by Poser (Joining Belly Girl in the Pajamahadeen)
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Invented What GM Couldn't...

a contract that won't bankrupt the company?

10 posted on 07/06/2005 8:45:54 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (every day is a gift, that's why they call it the present.)
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Well, that sounds nifty, but does it dehumudify like a typical AC unit? How many Peltier chips would it take to cool down an entire house?


12 posted on 07/06/2005 8:47:05 AM PDT by jess35
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"... the budding engineers are jetting off to Japan today for a 10-day visit on Ricoh's dime."

Second prize is 20 days in Japan...

13 posted on 07/06/2005 8:47:45 AM PDT by Redbob
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"Today, the young inventors say, U.S. drivers use about 7.9 billion gallons of fuel each year to run their air-conditioners, which draw power from the engine."

And where does this nitwit think the electricity for the Peltier chips comes from?
That's right: the engine.

17 posted on 07/06/2005 8:50:20 AM PDT by Redbob
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This award is just a feel good save the earth pipe dream. Peltier devices are far less efficient than any modern automotive air conditioner. The energy consumed per BTU of heat displacement is the key. The 4 billion gallons of savings figure was pulled from thin air.
At least these kids should get an award for their insight into the judges mindset that an invention doesn't need to actually work as long as we can pretend it's saving the earth. Aaaaaargh!
19 posted on 07/06/2005 8:54:40 AM PDT by nonessential-personel
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What are the odds that somone in the know might tell the rest of us (me) what a Peltier Chip actually is?


23 posted on 07/06/2005 9:00:39 AM PDT by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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That is pretty cool. Besides, this could be the first generation prototype. Give a few real scientists a chance to make this industrially efficient and more powerful, and we might have something here. Even if its not optimal now, doesn't mean what they created may not be useful in the future.


27 posted on 07/06/2005 9:02:41 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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11. Are there situations where compressor-based systems make more sense?
Yes. Generally, whenever a small compressor-based system would clearly be 'overkill' in providing a cooling solution, TE systems become the most viable choice. You find a 'gray area' amidst the medium-sized cooling jobs; here decisions ultimately come down to critical cost/benefit or design engineering considerations which are unique to each application. Given the present state of technology—unless there are unique overriding concerns—the compressor-based approach has distinct advantages in larger cooling systems such as standard-sized refrigerators and air-conditioning systems for buildings & vehicles. However, ongoing research into materials may one day make thermoelectrics practical for many of these larger applications.

This is from one of the manufacturers of Peltier effect devices. Source: Tellurex Corp.. Now, what do you suppose these kids know that Tellurex Corp doesn't?

32 posted on 07/06/2005 9:05:35 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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I guess the fuel savings will also be more in the south than in Canada.


37 posted on 07/06/2005 9:11:55 AM PDT by jtminton (Help stop second hand rap!)
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It's amazing what people who aren't addicted to meetings can accomplish.


39 posted on 07/06/2005 9:15:37 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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I will still go with GM until I see some numbers on how efficient it is. It looks like a gas hog if it uses gasoline generated electricity!
43 posted on 07/06/2005 9:16:59 AM PDT by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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A Salt Lake City attorney is working to secure a patent.

It's still too early to know if the boys will receive the patent. Nonetheless, it's wonderful that our patent system allows anyone of any age to patent an invention. When these boys invented their AC unit, they were too young to vote and probably too young to drive legally. However, they weren't too young to receive a patent.

48 posted on 07/06/2005 9:25:43 AM PDT by Vision Thing (Hillary is a mad cow.)
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"1964 General Motors analysis that explored the idea before the car company concluded it wasn't possible. "

"And though repeated attempts to communicate with Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. have gone unanswered, high officials in Japan - an ocean away - are awaiting the arrival of Riverton's young inventors."

Congratulations to these young men. I hope that the adults around them don't take advantage of the young men's success.

Those two quotes... is it any wonder our country is in the shape it's in? Or that GM is where it is today?


54 posted on 07/06/2005 9:42:14 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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...and the Japanese patent law system of very narrow patents, will allow them to copy the idea with some minor changes and declare it a different "technology" with an exclusive japanese issued patent.

or

They just reverse engineer it, say it is an older idea they already had or simply it is too general a concept and fight the patent.


58 posted on 07/06/2005 9:45:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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