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GLAD SHE HAD HER GUN
The Second Amendment Library Online ^ | FR Post 7-05-05 | by Elinor Dufy

Posted on 07/05/2005 10:00:25 AM PDT by vannrox

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To: Ladysmith
"The target coming straight at me was less than 12 feet away before I finally started hitting it center mass."

That was at the range, with the proper stance and your arms outstretched with a two handed grip shooting at paper. Different situation here.

Practice, practice and more practice is needed.

81 posted on 07/05/2005 1:16:44 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Report every illegal alien that you meet. Call 866-347-2423, Employers use 888-464-4218)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

Thank you. That is exactly what I talking about. If the little punk, (nicest word I could think of), was wielding an ice pick she should have discouraged any ambitions he may have had by popping a few rounds through his chest.


82 posted on 07/05/2005 1:18:31 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (Former Republican since the Great RINO betrayal of 2005.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Mostly I agree with you - except for the unfortunate Nicole Simpson being murdered as her Akita, allegedly, stood by and watch.


83 posted on 07/05/2005 1:24:35 PM PDT by Xphantasos (Ceterum censeo Al-Quaedam delenda est.)
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To: ken5050
Very good point....it's the TV syndrome..."stop, or I'll shoot"..good survival rule is if you feel threatened enough to take out the weapon, cock and aim it, then shoot first..apologize later if necessary.

She had that wrong. It should go like this:
STOP! BANG... or I'll shoot.

84 posted on 07/05/2005 1:24:44 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: vannrox
When I woke I decided to go back to the gun range and practice.

Good move! I hope it makes some other 'nervous nellies' think hard about owning a pistol, especially if they are women living alone.

85 posted on 07/05/2005 1:39:35 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: B4Ranch
BS. I identify you as a threat in my house? You've got from the time I squeeze the trigger to the time that 10mm 135 gr hollow point rips out your spine at 1700 fps to live. I'm not gonna wait to give you commands. I'm not gonna try and get closer for a better shot. My first round will be seperating your sternum a split second before my follow up shot reparts your hairline.

I'm going to ID you as being someone other than a guest or family member, and then you die. I'll worry about the legality of my actions later.

As for your machismo... you might, might from sheer dead weight intertia, manage to stick me once, but I guarentee you will do nothing after that first lunge accept bleed out into the carpet.

86 posted on 07/05/2005 1:44:11 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Bon mots
BANG... BANG! Stop!!! BANG...or I'll shoot.

Two to center mass. One to the head.

87 posted on 07/05/2005 1:45:39 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Xphantasos

I know nothing about the Akita breed.

However, OJ was probably around the dog a lot and seemed to be no threat to its mistress.


88 posted on 07/05/2005 1:47:19 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: texgal

"My third line of defense are my dogs. Up to this point the intruder can walk away with his/her life."

We had this wonderful female German Short Haired Pointer. She weighed about 90#'s in her prime. She bit intruders in a very critical spot. She broke up two breakins at a neighbor's house, kept my wife and kids protected during the E Side Rapist rampage in the Sacramento area. We believed that she prevented two breakins here, and the one time my wife didn't let her go after the intruder, a boat motor was stolen.

She was as gentle as a lamb with any child who wasn't a teenager, protective of our children and my wife and probably would have killed or maimed on my command.


89 posted on 07/05/2005 1:56:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: libstripper; ericthecurdog

"World's best safety combination--a good dog and a good gun."

I agree. If the sound of my dog does not dissuade an intruder... I'm hoping the icy sound of a round being chambered does. And if that does not work, shoot first and ask questions later... an intruder with an ice pick and/or knife is not dropping by to share a cup of tea. Geez, this story gives me chills.


90 posted on 07/05/2005 2:01:58 PM PDT by GreenEggsNHam (Hey... what if the hokey pokey really IS what it's all about?)
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To: Spok

Yeah, But...

98% of criminal attempts are decided in favor of the good guys...) merely through brandishing.

She did just fine.


91 posted on 07/05/2005 2:06:47 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: exnavychick

Your opinion is exactly correct.

Shooting-to-kill with no real apparent deadly threat is not only stupid, it DOES have serious moral implications.


92 posted on 07/05/2005 2:08:11 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Dead Corpse
"That might be correct if you are talking about from a holstered position, but not if you are cocked on pointed right at him. One sudden move on someone that juiced up on adrenaline and that perp would had a hole in him.
Granted, she shoulda ventilated him BEFORE alerting him to her presence.
"Surprise! Your DEAD." -Faith No More.

I'm retired LEO and former rangemaster. Here's what we would demonstrate to the guys to show them that they could possibly still get out of a sticky situation in the event that someone got the drop on them: the trainee has a deactivated revolver or semiauto (i.e., firing pin removed, gun painted red, cylinders/chamber plugged, etc), hammer cocked, safety off, pointed right at the chest of the person playing the officer role. The gun can be touching to about 1 foot away (grabbing distance). The gun person is told that the officer is going to grab the gun away and to "shoot" the officer before the officer grabs his gun. About 99.99% of the time the gun is "fired" (hammer falls) when the gun is no longer pointed at the officer. Try this (SAFELY) with your kid's cap gun.

93 posted on 07/05/2005 2:14:37 PM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, Class of '68)
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To: Ladysmith

According to her story, she did not KNOW anyone was in the apartment until she discovered him.

But your point is valid--if you KNOW there's an invader, you avoid engagement and use the phone.

With luck, you can get to a spot from which you can defend the entire family and not have engaged.


94 posted on 07/05/2005 2:17:28 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: ninenot
...it DOES have serious moral implications.

Righto...and I don't want to jeapordize my immortal soul for some criminal. Not to mention the nightmares and likely therapy I'd need afterwards. I've never killed anyone, but from what I understand, it's a lot easier said than done. I'll pass if it's not necessary.

95 posted on 07/05/2005 2:19:59 PM PDT by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Ladysmith

I'm with you on this. I don't have the training to risk going down a set of stairs looking for someone who might have broken in.

So, I would hunker down in a corner and call the cops. I figure if the criminals are in the house, they'll eventually find me and very probably have no idea what hit them.


96 posted on 07/05/2005 2:20:53 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: GreenEggsNHam

I do like the final line where she heads to the range to practice some more.


97 posted on 07/05/2005 2:23:05 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: Chinito
I've done just that. My father, retired LEO and a current Rangemaster, was trying to prove this very point to me.

I capped him every time.

98 posted on 07/05/2005 2:23:52 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: vannrox

Definately won't be seeing this story in the msm.


99 posted on 07/05/2005 2:28:21 PM PDT by ran15
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To: exnavychick
I would have blasted the guy. Why have to worry about him coming back some day. The last thing in the world I want to burden myself with is shooting someone but once they break in, especially with a weapon, game's over.
100 posted on 07/05/2005 2:33:53 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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