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Officers Says Store Video May Show Idaho Girl Seeking Help Before She Was Found at Restaurant
AP ^ | AP-ES-07-05-05 1154EDT

Posted on 07/05/2005 9:34:15 AM PDT by TheOtherOne

Officers Says Store Video May Show Idaho Girl Seeking Help Before She Was Found at Restaurant

By Nicholas K. Geranios Associated Press Writer
Published: Jul 5, 2005 COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho (AP) - A newly discovered videotape shows Shasta Groene and her alleged abductor at a store hours before she was rescued, and an officer said Tuesday it looks as if the 8-year-old girl was trying to get someone to recognize her.

Authorities said they had found human remains that might be her missing 9-year-old brother, Dylan.

Dylan and Shasta had been missing since May 16, when the bound and bludgeoned bodies of their mother, older brother and mother's boyfriend were found at their rural home near here. Early Saturday, employees and customers spotted Shasta eating breakfast with Joseph Edward Duncan III, a violent sexual predator, at a Denny's restaurant in Coeur d'Alene.

Authorities were reviewing security camera videotape that showed Shasta and Duncan at a gas station and convenience store Friday evening in Kellogg, about 40 road miles east of Coeur d'Alene.

Kootenai County Sheriff's Capt. Ben. Wolfinger said Tuesday that from his study of the videotape it appeared Shasta was "wanting to be recognized by the patrons there in the store."

"In the small takes I saw out of that surveillance video, she's walking around, stopping, looking right at the faces of the different patrons there," Wolfinger said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

The assistant manager of the Cameron Conoco, Charlotte Adsitt, said she and the station owner reviewed the videotape after seeing news reports, then called authorities.

"She didn't seem nervous, mistreated, nothing out of the ordinary. I almost asked her name ... but I didn't because I didn't know if she was with her father," Adsitt told The Spokesman-Review of Spokane, Wash.

Adsitt said she "felt sick all day" at the thought that the girl "was with this creep longer than she should've been."

Kootenai County Sheriff Rocky Watson told reporters Monday that "possible" human remains had been found at a site in western Montana, and would be sent to the FBI crime lab in Virginia for DNA analysis. That is expected to take three days.

Watson would not answer questions.

"Unfortunately, we believe Dylan to be deceased," Wolfinger said after Watson's announcement.

Duncan, 42, was arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and other charges. Duncan, from Fargo, N.D., has spent much of his adult life in prison.

Authorities planned to formally charge him with kidnapping and being a fugitive from justice, and have said more charges were possible. An initial court appearance was set for Tuesday.

The sheriff's office released a photograph showing a smiling Shasta hugging her father Steve at Kootenai Medical Center. Another photo showed her holding a doll. The photos do not show any apparent injuries from her nearly six weeks of captivity.

"She's a much happier little girl right now," Wolfinger said, adding she was listed in good condition.

Officers have interviewed the girl a couple of times, but details of what happened to the children are agonizingly slow in coming. Duncan has refused to cooperate, officials said.

Major questions include: Was Duncan involved in the three initial slayings? Have the children been with him the whole time? If so, where have they been hiding?

"We've got a lot of questions left unanswered," Wolfinger said. Some 60 local, state and FBI investigators are working the case.

Authorities have relied on information from Shasta, evidence from Duncan's stolen red Jeep Cherokee and some 100 new tips from the public in the search for the boy. The tips have poured in since photos of Duncan and the Jeep were released, and many are "vehicle-specific and Duncan-specific," Wolfinger said.

Shasta has provided helpful information, but Wolfinger would not say exactly what she was telling officers. "It's a slow process with Shasta," he said. "We're taking that very slowly."

The children were missing when authorities arrived at their home May 16 and found the bodies of their mother, Brenda Groene, 40, brother Slade Groene, 13, and their mother's boyfriend, Mark McKenzie, 37.

Authorities believe Duncan and the children remained in the Northwest during the past seven weeks, but Wolfinger would not say where. He also would not say if there was any evidence anyone else accompanied Duncan.

Officials have not said why they believe the Groene family was targeted. Steve Groene said he had never heard of Duncan before Saturday.

Duncan, who was raised in Tacoma, Wash., had spent more than a decade in prison for sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy at gunpoint and was a fugitive at the time of his arrest for allegedly molesting a 6-year-old boy in Minnesota.

On Saturday, Wolfinger said Duncan authored a Web site called fifthnail.com. The name was derived from a myth involving a fifth nail that was crafted for Jesus's crucifixion but was not used after gypsies hid it from Roman soldiers. "The Fifth Nail is the nail that was meant to peirce the Heart of Christ and end his suffering," the site said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: dylan; grone; molestor; shasta
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1 posted on 07/05/2005 9:34:18 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne

WOW, that poor poor little girl. She will have to endure years of counseling to recover from this, if she ever does!


2 posted on 07/05/2005 9:37:02 AM PDT by Halls (I will never forget Terri Schiavo and neither should you!)
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To: TheOtherOne

Ya know, it is obvious this guy did the killings as well as the kidnapping!


3 posted on 07/05/2005 9:40:03 AM PDT by Halls (I will never forget Terri Schiavo and neither should you!)
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To: TheOtherOne
For the girl not to seek help in the store, the perp must have threatened her bother or she may have already witnessed what he had done to him?
4 posted on 07/05/2005 9:41:16 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TheOtherOne
For the girl not to seek help in the store, the perp must have threatened her bother or she may have already witnessed what he had done to him?
5 posted on 07/05/2005 9:41:19 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Halls
I think so. This is from that site of his, it's the mission statement:

"The mission of The Fifth Nail is to help in the fight against official propaganda that supports discrimination against classes of people defined by mistakes they made in the past, or might make in the future. It is our position that State Sanctioned Discrimination serves no public interest and in fact creates an even more dangerous class of criminals by denying x-convicts a place in our society, forcing them to feel like outcasts with little to loose."

6 posted on 07/05/2005 9:41:20 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (The scales of Justice are unbalanced.™)
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To: Halls
She will have to endure years of counseling to recover from this, if she ever does!

Which is precisely why creeps like this Duncan guy should NEVER EVER be released. They can't be fixed so why should they ever be allowed out to ruin the lives of others?

7 posted on 07/05/2005 9:42:22 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: TheOtherOne

Boy, this suspect just contradicted his own statement, didn't he?


8 posted on 07/05/2005 9:44:11 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: texgal
Which is precisely why creeps like this Duncan guy should NEVER EVER be released.

Of course he should be released --- to a funeral home.

9 posted on 07/05/2005 9:47:09 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: the Deejay

This poor child. My guess--she'd seen what the monster had done to her brother, and feared, or knew she'd be next. Thank goodness for Denny's!


10 posted on 07/05/2005 9:47:19 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: texgal

I can't imagine how messed up this little girl will be after witnessing her mom murdered her brothers murdered and then whatever hell she has been thru with this monster. She had already been subjected to mom with her live in doing meth. She has many hurdles ahead of her and I pray she has the strength to get there but I wonder. Her dad should be ashamed for the kids being left in a home where drugs were being done and all kinds of characters in and out.


11 posted on 07/05/2005 9:48:23 AM PDT by LYSandra
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To: Halls

Hey now, lets not be so judgemental........after all this guy was released in the Nice State of Minnesota by a Fr*cking moron judge after being accused of raping a 6 yr. old. Like who are we to judge?


12 posted on 07/05/2005 9:50:14 AM PDT by newcthem
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To: Publius6961
Of course he should be released --- to a funeral home.

It would be way too good to release him to a funeral home - given what he did to poor little Dylan. Throw him out like trash just like he did to that sweet little soul.

For what Duncan has done to Shasta's family may even God turn His back on him.

13 posted on 07/05/2005 9:51:32 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: MizSterious

I just don't understand why he took her into the Denny's in the town where they were getting ready to scatter her mother's ashes.


14 posted on 07/05/2005 9:52:17 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: TheOtherOne

EEEWWW, what website did this come off of? The perp had his own website? That is just sick!


15 posted on 07/05/2005 9:53:59 AM PDT by Halls (I will never forget Terri Schiavo and neither should you!)
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To: texgal

I agree, i believe one you commit a sex crime you stay in jail. These perps don't change! once they get out they go back and continue on with their disgusting ways!


16 posted on 07/05/2005 9:55:13 AM PDT by Halls (I will never forget Terri Schiavo and neither should you!)
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To: LYSandra
Her dad should be ashamed for the kids being left in a home where drugs were being done and all kinds of characters in and out.

Maybe you could share the details that lead to that conclusion.

17 posted on 07/05/2005 9:55:27 AM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: TheOtherOne

What a brave, brave little girl, to still try to seek attention after weeks of captivity and the brutal deaths of family which she may have witnessed. And it worked, thank God. Thank God for that adept waittress. Especially considering what a sociopath Duncan appears to be, known for manipulating and tormenting his victims, Shasta still had the courage to reach out.


18 posted on 07/05/2005 9:55:27 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: newcthem
"...after all this guy was released in the Nice State of Minnesota by a Fr*cking moron judge after being accused of raping a 6 yr. old."

Not trying to defend the judge but was this guy convicted or merely accused? If he wasn't convicted the judge didn't have a choice but to release him.

19 posted on 07/05/2005 9:57:23 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: LYSandra
It would probably do her a world of good for her to know that the monster is dead. The sooner the better.

Psychiatrists have acknowledged that these kind of people can't be fixed or rehabilitated so there are only 2 choices, lock them up forever or execute them. I believe this guy deserves the latter as soon as is possible.

20 posted on 07/05/2005 9:57:26 AM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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