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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I don't get the connection you are making to the football playing twins. Why would that necessitate the FBI getting involved?


441 posted on 07/05/2005 12:13:12 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: GarySpFc

She called them criminals specifically, and asked countries to not allow them entry. A bit much I think.


442 posted on 07/05/2005 12:14:29 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Dark Skies

LOL...now that's funny...I don't care who your are.


444 posted on 07/05/2005 12:17:05 PM PDT by truthluva
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To: over3Owithabrain
She called them criminals specifically, and asked countries to not allow them entry. A bit much I think.

Not murders as you stated? I just listened to the conference again, and she called them suspects.
445 posted on 07/05/2005 12:17:57 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
1) I said she called them criminals and asked if she had proof that they were ACCESSORIES to murder. I didn't say she called them murderers.

2) The press conference I heard she clearly called them criminals and asked the public to keep them from going free and other countries to not allow them entry. That was clear and others can tell you that too. Don't know what you thought you heard.
446 posted on 07/05/2005 12:20:36 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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From SM:

I don't know if you guys are still listening, to Top95, some of the people that are calling in are speaking English, some are not but from what I hear is people are angered at the motheres PC and keeps saying "lady this is our law, innocent until proven guilty.

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top radio appears to have a "Beth" bashing call in show going on now. All calls are in response to her PC

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I cannot believe one caller actually had the nerve to point the blame to Beth's family and that the FBI should be investigating THEM instead!

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Wow...they are really bashing the Holloway family on the Aruba radio station.

447 posted on 07/05/2005 12:20:51 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: monkeywrench

I saw the discussion earlier in this thread about her possibly thinking she was in a cab. I didn't see it resolved. How do you know she thought she was in a cab?


448 posted on 07/05/2005 12:21:20 PM PDT by eddie65
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To: onyx

You know, if they leave, that
would be very telling.

The guards didn't leave when
they were released.

Steve Croes didn't leave when
he was released.


449 posted on 07/05/2005 12:23:28 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: the Deejay

Where the heck are they from? I hear it pronounced, but have not seen the spelling.


450 posted on 07/05/2005 12:26:12 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Dark Skies; demkicker; xsmommy; monkeywrench; kcvl

"Precisely. When I look back at the things I did when I was Nat's age (and I was a relatively tame kid), I can't believe how stupid I was. Teenagers think they are immortal and that's never going to change. But of course adults who forget what it was like to be a teenage on a class trip will blame poor Nat."

I agree, and so must all of you. Ten years ago, when my older daughter was around 24, she looked at me and said, "I am so sorry for the grief I put you through when I was a teenager." (She, too, was a relatively tame kid.) I thought that was so mature of her to admit that. However, if she wanted to go to Aruba with her friends at the age of 18, and I said, "No," I would have been the meanest mom on earth. She begged me for flying lessons and soloed in a Cessna at the age of 16 or 17. She seemed so mature, and her flight instructors assured me that she was one of the best students they ever had. I look back now and say, "What was I thinking?" (She didn't even have her driver's license.) If something happened to her, I would have been BH with some people blaming me. Since nothing bad happened, she and I could say that it was such a wonderful experience for her, and she was accepted into Embry Riddle.

Let's face it, we all want our kids to be happy, to spread their wings, to give them new experiences, and besides, there have been hundreds of trips made by teens to all parts of the world. If we wanted to "protect" our children, we wouldn't give them a car, or the keys to ours....we wouldn't have even given them a bicycle. I have a neighbor who's son died on his bike, one friend's son on a swing set. Do we deny our children these?

Something went so wrong here, and through all this, we've all become a little wiser. Then again, if it weren't for BH, as many of us feel, we wouldn't know about this tragedy. How many other misfortunes like this have we not heard about? It has made us all a little wiser.

I think monkeywrench's suggestion in post # 292 is a good one to a few Freepers: "Go start a safety thread."

God bless Natalee.


451 posted on 07/05/2005 12:26:28 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: monkeywrench
Who'd want to go back to that hellhole surinam?

Surinamese ppl? lol

I think that's where their grandmother lives.

The boys were raised/ partially raised by grandma.

453 posted on 07/05/2005 12:26:58 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: the Deejay
If they leave
I suspect
it's their Mother
who is behind it all.
454 posted on 07/05/2005 12:27:09 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: GarySpFc

I just heard BHT call the two brothers suspects, not criminals and not murders.

She called them criminals.

``Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter,'' Beth Holloway Twitty, mother of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, told a news conference, her voice cracking with emotion as she fought to hold back tears.

``The criminals will not only be allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba but there are no limits as to where they may go,'' she said, adding, ``I'm asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven.''

Source

455 posted on 07/05/2005 12:27:14 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; Rippersnapper; ...
From SM:

again Aruban radio......

"your looking in the mirror because you are the criminal. It is time the FBI looks at your family"

another call.....

Children chanting: Free Joran! Free Joran! Free Joran!

another call..... what was your daughter doing leaving her wallet in her room.... (not sure what he was getting at.) time for you to go home...

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the entire call in show is being devoted to bashing "Beth"

I guess that answers the question of how Arubans feel...

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Beth is dangerous in her grief. The Arubans are very angry. She may need to leave the island for a while.

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The radio station is completely out of line. The family bashing is uncalled for. BHT has never criticized the Aruban people as a whole, just the investigation and LE. By acting this way the Aruban people are pissing tourists off, and isn't that their national concern. I have been an Aruba supporter until I heard this today. I would never step foot on the island after hearing this!

456 posted on 07/05/2005 12:27:22 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: over3Owithabrain

She definitely called the Kalpoes just what they are--criminals. I heard it. Everyone heard it.

Paulus Van der Sloot's perfect plan to exonerate his bad seed from all charges is rolling along right on cue. No doubt Paulus's time in the clink was spent putting the fix in with his Dutch cohorts, with Van der Straten serving as go-between. Once again, money talks and $hit walks.

What better way to throw cold water on the case against Joran than eliminating the two closest witnesses--the Kalpoes, who were also complicit in the kidnapping and possibly the drugging of Natalee? The Kalpoes got an offer they cannot refuse--we let you go, you leave Aruba for good. We will even set you up with jobs in Barbados. It's a win-win situation for the Kalpoes and the Van der Sloots.


457 posted on 07/05/2005 12:27:42 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: WestCoastGal

"" I can't stand the smug look on JvdS, the all knowing "no body no crime" look!""

I can't stand it either, WestCoastGal. Juran's smug look was especially bad yesterday. IMO, he knows his dad has connections in high places and he will walk.

According the article that was posted earlier, Ben King, a Dutch government official, and PVDS are buds. The following is from the article -

" The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office). "

http://newsblaze.com/story/2005070108300200001.ew/newsblaze/ENVIRWIR/EWorldWire.html

Expressing my thanks to whom ever posted the above linked article. Sorry I've forgotten who posted it.


458 posted on 07/05/2005 12:27:53 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: over3Owithabrain
We had students from 4 grades go to Europe and go to night clubs. We didn't have any problems and no one came up missing. Some were as young as 15, 9th graders.

There was no age limit for drinking yet those that drank did so responsibly and no one took off to talk with locals or dance with locals or took a cab. We all walked back to the hotel and no one was lost along the way.

It really does help when people watch out for one another. Nobody stayed out all night.

459 posted on 07/05/2005 12:28:11 PM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't stop with the other person.)
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To: onyx

Surinam, a country just north of
Brazil.

They are Surinamese.


460 posted on 07/05/2005 12:28:16 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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