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What Other People Say May Change What You See
NY Times ^ | June 28, 2005 | SANDRA BLAKESLEE

Posted on 06/30/2005 9:03:29 PM PDT by neverdem

A new study uses advanced brain-scanning technology to cast light on a topic that psychologists have puzzled over for more than half a century: social conformity.

The study was based on a famous series of laboratory experiments from the 1950's by a social psychologist, Dr. Solomon Asch.

In those early studies, the subjects were shown two cards. On the first was a vertical line. On the second were three lines, one of them the same length as that on the first card.

Then the subjects were asked to say which two lines were alike, something that most 5-year-olds could answer correctly.

But Dr. Asch added a twist. Seven other people, in cahoots with the researchers, also examined the lines and gave their answers before the subjects did. And sometimes these confederates intentionally gave the wrong answer.

Dr. Asch was astonished at what happened next. After thinking hard, three out of four subjects agreed with the incorrect answers given by the confederates at least once. And one in four conformed 50 percent of the time.

Dr. Asch, who died in 1996, always wondered about the findings. Did the people who gave in to group do so knowing that their answers was wrong? Or did the social pressure actually change their perceptions?

The new study tried to find an answer by using functional M.R.I. scanners that can peer into the working brain, a technology not available to Dr. Asch.

The researchers found that social conformity showed up in the brain as activity in regions that are entirely devoted to perception. But independence of judgment - standing up for one's beliefs - showed up as activity in brain areas involved in emotion, the study found, suggesting that there is a cost for going against the group.

"We like to think that seeing is..."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: brain; conformity; eyes; eyesight; health; medicine; noshitsherlock; socialconformity

1 posted on 06/30/2005 9:03:30 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

It takes temperment, or practice, or both, to just say "no." I was liberated in the last half of the first grade, when I finally had the courage to just do it differently from the smart girls (at that stage, the girls dominated the top rated reading group and everything else in class), and just do it my way. It as so liberating. I never looked back.


2 posted on 06/30/2005 9:06:46 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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3 posted on 06/30/2005 9:08:45 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
What Other People Say May Change What You See

October 30, 2002

US Sniper Case Seen as a Barrier to a Confession

ROCKVILLE, Md., Oct. 29 -- State and federal investigators said today that John Muhammad had been talking to them for more than an hour on the day of his arrest in the sniper shootings, explaining the roots of his anger, when the United States attorney for Maryland told them to deliver him to Baltimore to face federal weapons charges and forcing them to end their interrogation.

-- as (falsely) reported in the NYT by JAYSON BLAIR

4 posted on 06/30/2005 9:11:13 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Facetiousness really should pay better)
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To: neverdem

"""After thinking hard, three out of four subjects agreed with the incorrect answers..."""

Not that different from subjects who participate on political forums, is it?

CLONES THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE!!


5 posted on 06/30/2005 9:23:22 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: neverdem

"using functional M.R.I. scanners"

As opposed to using "non-functional" scanners?


6 posted on 06/30/2005 9:30:11 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: neverdem

The first thing that comes to my mind is the situation during jury deliberation. That one person who goes against the other 11 jurors gets worn down to agree with the others.


7 posted on 06/30/2005 9:30:21 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: chaosagent

Functional MRI is more advanced that standard MRI. It allows radiologists to see which parts of the brain are actively consuming sugar (functioning, I guess) while doing some specific tasks.

This will allow scientists to tell which specific parts of the brain are designed to do which specific tasks.


8 posted on 06/30/2005 9:34:56 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: neverdem
Re #1

Good catch!

9 posted on 06/30/2005 9:35:46 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: neverdem

Stupid sheeple are easily influenced.

Why is this so startling?


10 posted on 06/30/2005 9:46:58 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: neverdem

Scanning as the new psychology is frightening, not because it tells us a great deal but because it tells us almost nothing.


11 posted on 06/30/2005 9:50:23 PM PDT by monkey
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To: Fishing-guy; chaosagent
PET scans use radio-active labelled glucose, IIRC. INTRODUCTION The recent discovery that magnetic resonance imaging can be used to map changes in brain hemodynamics that correspond to mental operations extends traditional anatomical imaging to include maps of human brain function. The ability to observe both the structures and also which structures participate in specific functions is due to a new technique called functional magnetic resonance imaging, fMRI, and provides high resolution, noninvasive reports of neural activity detected by a blood oxygen level dependent signal (Ogawa, et al, 1990 a and b, 1992, 1993; Belliveau, et al, 1990, 1991). This new ability to directly observe brain function opens an array of new opportunities to advance our understanding of brain organization, as well as a potential new standard for assessing neurological status and neurosurgical risk. The following briefly introduces the fundamental principles of fMRI, current applications at Columbia, and some potential future directions.
12 posted on 06/30/2005 10:01:30 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"What other people say may change what you see."

The democrats and MSM already know this and take full advantage. Every Republican SHOULD know it, and not let the dems lies and distortions go unchallenged in the main stream media.

13 posted on 06/30/2005 10:37:53 PM PDT by Pajamajan ("Where there's life there's hope"-Terri Schindler's message to the world.- Never Forget.)
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To: neverdem
showed up as activity in brain areas involved in emotion,

Very interesting!

14 posted on 06/30/2005 10:42:27 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ted Kennedy - isn't it time for you to diet?)
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To: neverdem

The left been use this for a long time

Everybody for this, If your not for this your a ______,
Everybody doing it.....

There's a number of these posts right here on FR from this group


15 posted on 07/01/2005 12:49:32 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: neverdem

I agree with everything all of you have posted.


16 posted on 07/01/2005 12:52:45 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D
I agree with everything all of you have posted.

And neither do I.
17 posted on 07/01/2005 1:23:21 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (The New York Times ~ Now 89% Fact Free!)
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To: neverdem

A film was made of this experiment - I saw it many years ago. The looks on some of the kids faces who weren't in on the experiment were priceless. It was an important reminder of how easy it is to influence groups -- and how easy it is to be influenced.


18 posted on 07/01/2005 8:33:28 PM PDT by GOPJ
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