NAFTA cited as immigration factor (They are here because we are there.)

VailDaily ^

[Happy2BMe]

GREELEY - Prof. Norberto Valdez said the effects of North American Free Trade Agreement on the Mexican economy is a factor in the influx of unauthorized migrants to the United States in the past decade.

Valdez, a Colorado State University associate professor in the anthropology department, recently talked about his time and studies in Chiapas, Mexico, studying the Zapatista movement.

He said the presence of U.S. corporations in Mexico after NAFTA came into effect in 1994 has caused the a loss of jobs, land and the country's natural resources.

As Mexicans lost jobs on farms and in rural areas, they begin to migrate in search of work to survive. Many have migrated to Mexican cities, others to factories along the United States-Mexico border, and some have crossed the border and landed in places like Greeley where agriculture provides jobs to immigrants ready to sweat and work in the sun.

"To understand domestic policy it's imperative we understand foreign policy. They are interlinked. They are interrelated," Valdez said. "If we are concerned about immigration, we need to understand that they are here because we are there."

Valdez, an activist for 25 years and a university professor for 30 years, has done research in Mexico, Honduras, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica, El Salvador and Cuba. He said the Zapatistas taught him an important lesson about illegal immigrants:

"All people aspire to live life with dignity," Valdez said. "When that dignity is threatened people will rebel. We can learn that on that side of the border or here."



Vail, Colorado

[Happy2BMe]

He said the Zapatistas taught him an important lesson about illegal immigrants . .

[camle]

so...

US corporations moved to Mexico resulting in a net LOSS of mexican jobs?

right.

[Happy2BMe]

They are HERE because we are THERE.

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"To understand domestic policy it's imperative we understand foreign policy. They are interlinked. They are interrelated," Valdez said. "If we are concerned about immigration, we need to understand that they are here because we are there."

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Meet NAFTA on steroids

North American national borders would be virtually eliminated under plans being considered by senior business and political leaders from Canada, the United States and Mexico for a "NAFTA-plus," continent-wide, customs-free zone with a common approach to trade, energy, immigration, law enforcement and security. A tri-national task force, chaired by former Liberal Party deputy prime minister John Manley, with the full backing of all three governments, is plotting the roadmap for this new, bolder alliance meant to compete with the European Union.

[conservativewasp]

"Many have migrated to Mexican cities, others to factories along the United States-Mexico border, and some have crossed the border and landed in places like Greeley where agriculture provides jobs to immigrants ready to sweat and work in the sun."

Make that illegally crossed the border. 10 million and counting. We need to level MASSIVE fines on companies that hire illegals. Take away their jobs and you take away the incentive to come here illegally.

[keysguy]

Hey, how bout rebelling on your side of the border at your own corrupt politicos, stay out of the US!

[JeeperFreeper]

I'm over 50. I've lived in Texas most of my life. Long before NAFTA or any other treaty, Mexicans have long crossed the Rio Grande River in large numbers. They aren't here because we are there. They are here because there sucks. Grinding poverty, unbridled corruption there and a hope for a better life here have long brought Mexicans here.

[cripplecreek]

Not only do we need massive fines for companies that hire illegals, we need jail terms for executives who allow it.

[jackbenimble]

US corporations moved to Mexico resulting in a net LOSS of Mexican jobs?

No, it was our heavily government subsidized corn that was grown here and put their farmers out of business because they could not compete with our artificially low prices.

It was not so much NAFTA as the combination of NAFTA which opened their markets and unfair competition from our corporate farm welfare industry.

Now all those poor farmers that were put out of business are here working on those corporate farms earning wages that are subsidized massively by American taxpayers. The artificially cheap labor is a second subsidy from the taxpayers because we have to pick up things like health care and education for the low paid farm workers who do not earn enough where they can pay enough taxes to cover these costs to society.

Now, with CAFTA, in combination with our corporate welfare agriculture industry further boosted by cheap labor subsidies the cycle is about to be repeated once again to the detriment of American taxpayers.

[Happy2BMe]

NAFTA "PLUS" COMING TO A CITY NEAR YOU . .

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Dogfights in Capitol Hill over free-trade pacts usually pop up not long after presidential elections. Back in 1993, Bill Clinton doled out promises to everybody and their mother to get the North American Free Trade Agreement passed, while President Bush in 2001 had his Congressional allies actually hold a vote open for an extra 23 minutes so they could force a weeping North Carolina congressman to abandon his textile constituency and give the president the single-vote margin he needed for trade negotiating authority.

[Happy2BMe]

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[Noachian]

He said the presence of U.S. corporations in Mexico after NAFTA came into effect in 1994 has caused the a loss of jobs, land and the country's natural resources.

If we use NAFTA as a model for CAFTA wouldn't it be a good idea to toss CAFTA into the garbage before we get millions of Central Americans crossing our border as well as Mexicans?

[Happy2BMe]

"I've lived in Texas most of my life"

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Cornyn to Minutemen: Back Off (Asks for time to allow the federal government to act.)

[Willie Green]

US corporations moved to Mexico resulting in a net LOSS of mexican jobs?

Yes. Multinational economies of scale displaced thousands of smaller, Mexican entrepreneurs.

With the recent SCOTUS ruling, permitting government puppets to use eminent domain to transfer property to their cronies, CAFTA will be much worse.

[Happy2BMe]

Myths and lies of illegal immigration

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Cornyn: Amnesty for illegal immigrants wouldn't pass in Congress

Mexican official comes under fire at binational conference (Catholics Push For Immigration Reform)

Immigration reform church goal, cardinal says

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Myths and lies of illegal immigration

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Cornyn: Amnesty for illegal immigrants wouldn't pass in Congress

Mexican official comes under fire at binational conference (Catholics Push For Immigration Reform)

Immigration reform church goal, cardinal says

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Cornyn: Amnesty for illegal immigrants wouldn't pass in Congress

[Grampa Dave]

"Valdez, a Colorado State University associate professor in the anthropology department, recently talked about his time and studies in Chiapas, Mexico, studying the Zapatista movement."

"He said the presence of U.S. corporations in Mexico after NAFTA came into effect in 1994 has caused the a loss of jobs, land and the country's natural resources."

Yep, an anthropology associate professor becomes an expert on this. God help any students who listens to this loser.

[Happy2BMe]

"Yep, an anthropology associate professor becomes an expert on this. God help any students who listens to this loser."

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Other quotes from immigration activist intelligentsia . .

"While I am saying this half serious and half joking, I think we are practicing la reconquista in California."
~ Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, Feb 2002.

"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this."
~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.

"Mexico extends beyond its borders."
~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001

"California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe."
~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998

"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' "
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."
~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions"
~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over."
~ Augustin Cebeda, of the 'Brown Berets', a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.

"Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group."
~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.

"In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848."
~ Reported in "La Voz de Aztlan", August 7, 2002.

"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."
~Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

[Mase]

"All people aspire to live life with dignity," Valdez said. "When that dignity is threatened people will rebel. We can learn that on that side of the border or here."

Typical. No mention of the role massive and unmitigated corruption in Mexican politics has played in illegal immigration. The endemic corruption hasn't change with Fox.

Until Mexico cleans up it's own house, those looking for a better life, or just to survive, will continue to move north.

This man chooses to blame America instead of his own people which is, of course, one of the main reasons the corruption continues. This article should have a barf alert.

[Travis McGee]

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U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"

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Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

[Malesherbes]

You are not only right, but NAFTA plus was implicit in the agreement from the beginning. The object was to create one North American economic zone, and that implies the free movement of labor across borders (the same problem that plagues the European Union.) Ross Perot's "giant sucking sound" really meant that we would suck into the United States the vast Mexican peasantry, unemployed at home, uneducated, and resistant to assimilation. When decisions are made for entirely economic reasons without regard for social consequences you are buying trouble. The trouble with NAFTA is just beginning.

[Happy2BMe]

"The trouble with NAFTA is just beginning."

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