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Parents miss Mass, kids get ax
NY Daily News ^ | 06.27.05 | NANCY DILLON

Posted on 06/27/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by Coleus

Parents miss Mass, kids get ax

The pastor of a Staten Island Catholic church is playing holy hardball - kicking hundreds of kids out of religious ed classes because their families aren't showing up at Mass.

The Rev. Michael Cichon, pastor of St. Joseph/St. Thomas in Pleasant Plains, used each family's bar-coded donation envelope to track attendance.

He's tossed about 300 kids from classes and told them not to reapply until next April.

Without the classes, children cannot receive the sacraments, meaning some youngsters who thought they'd be making their First Communion next year will have to wait.

The suspensions, legal under church doctrine, were a shock to many parents with kids enrolled in the 1,400-child program, which caters to kids who don't attend Catholic schools.

"It's hurtful," said Joseph LoPizzo, 38, whose 6-year-old son was booted. "I've been a parishioner at that church for 23 years - longer than he's been the reverend."

LoPizzo said he paid the $150 for his son's Thursday afternoon classes last year, but his father-in-law's illness hampered the family's church attendance.

"I've just never heard of a church kicking you out," complained Lisa Nicol, 36, who got a letter saying her 7-year-old twin daughters had been barred from classes. "They should be more welcoming and sensitive."

The pastor said he suspended kids from the 2005-2006 after-school program because Mass is an "essential" component of the Catholic faith.

The affected families were attending church less than once a month, he said.

Cichon insisted that the move has nothing to do with the lack of a donation.

"There are many families who put absolutely nothing inside the envelopes they submit," he said.

Originally published on June 27, 2005



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: New York
KEYWORDS: canonlaw; catholiclist; ccd; children; church; churchattendance; lapsed; mass; nyc; parents; statenisland; whiners
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To: 26lemoncharlie

My question is why is it necessary for a Catholic?? Priest?? Reverand?? who is sworn to Celebicy, need to advertise his sexualality/sexual preference??

All that left, right = hom or hetero is old school and/or an urban legend. My guess is the priest is trying to be hip and appeal to the younger generation and/or he was/is a hipster kid with a deep faith who became a priest and kept the jewelry. To the younger generation men with an earing or earings is very common and accepted and doesn't neccesarily indicate sexual preference or radical rebellion.
Besides a priest doesn't have much he can do to his attire that makes it personal/individual.


201 posted on 06/27/2005 3:21:05 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: B Knotts
That said, I'm not in a position to say whether or not this pastor made the right call.

It's simple ..

If a pastor wants' to make a statement against parents that are not setting a good catholic example, they should treat them just as they treat non-catholic parents. i.e. don't give them the 'catholic student' school rates.

To 'punish' or 'disallow' class attendence, graduation, sacramental receipt for anyone (regardless of their parents faith) shows a real 'hollowness' of the faith that is being preached at this particular church and not a proper Christian message that makes salvation available for all.

And yes, the MSM may be getting this whole thing wrong so I am only commenting on the article as presented.

202 posted on 06/27/2005 3:22:20 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: 26lemoncharlie

For the earing thing.. that was eighties culture.... It doesn't matter anymore...


203 posted on 06/27/2005 3:22:21 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Ignatius J Reilly

Besides a priest doesn't have much he can do to his attire that makes it personal/individual.
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Humility is all that he needs.


204 posted on 06/27/2005 3:23:25 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: jackibutterfly

God is the only one who can get anyone to "be serious about their faith." The best that we sinners can do is continue to try, ask for God's help, and ask for forgiveness when we will inevitably fail.

Children should attend Mass. No one will dispute that, but if that isn't going to happen should we really deny them access to any religious education?

Many Catholics leave the church during college and don't find their way back until they have their own children. It may start small, like enrolling their children in religious education and continues to build. Not perfect, but better than nothing. It opens the door for serious practice of Catholicism.

To limit religious education to only those whose parents are "serious about religion" is a very self rightious practice.


205 posted on 06/27/2005 3:24:13 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Nothing matters anymore, but isn't that the problem?


206 posted on 06/27/2005 3:24:28 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie ('Cuntas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!')
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To: mountn man

[ Some people slay me. They show up 1-2-3 times a year. Drop a 5-10-20 bill, in the plate, and think they're square with God. "Hey God, look at me. See how good I am?" ]


What about the ones that show up 52 times a year and think just because they do that they are square with god, those are the ones that slay me.


207 posted on 06/27/2005 3:25:27 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: wideawake
Children whose parents willfully and capriciously or frivolously miss Mass gain little, if anything, from religious instruction.
208 posted on 06/27/2005 3:25:40 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: 26lemoncharlie
on the earing? IN biblical times it was a symbol of servanthood...

It doesn't matter where they put the earing, the question is really "why the earing?"

And unfortunately, it does matter still and no one gets it

209 posted on 06/27/2005 3:26:19 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: mdmathis6

Time to review your own catechism.


210 posted on 06/27/2005 3:27:49 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (John 6: 51-58)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

I appreciate the info, but I will probably not abandom my own church, which is this year celebrating its 150th anniversary. We have two Catholic Churches in my small city and they merged their schools a few years back. Unfortunately, St. Alphonsus is also known as "the poor church," and I guess most Catholics in our city prefer the cathedral to our small, plain building on the poor side of town.


211 posted on 06/27/2005 3:28:06 PM PDT by sageb1 (If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Former Fetus

"It wasn't very long after this that that church started posting the names of those who (in the priest's opinion) did not pay full tithe."

Help me out here - I didn't know that tithing was a requirement in Catholic churches. I'm a practicing Catholic and I've never heard of tithing as either a doctrine or a practice.

All I could find in a quick peek at the Catechism is this, "From the very beginnings Christians have brought, along with bread and wine for the Eucharist, gifts to share with those in need. This custom of the collection, ever appropriate, is inspired by the example of Christ who became poor to make us rich. Thise who are well off, and who are also willing, give as each chooses. What is gathered is given to him who presides to assist orphans and widows, those whom illness or any other cause has deprived of resources, prisoners, immigrants, and, in a word, all who are in need."

It has always been my practice, and that of other Catholics I know, to give what we could afford and not set a certain amount or percentage. If that is what your priest was asking his parishioners to do (set a percentage of income or some other such scheme), I'm thinking he was not correct to do so. I'm not a Church scholar or theologian, just someone with 40-plus years as a Catholic and I've never been asked to tithe at any parish I attended - and I don't know anyone who has been. I'm sorry you had that experience, but I guess it puzzles me. I would think that the parishioners themselves (if not the bishop) would have brought that practice to a screeching halt.

PS - Keep up the good pro-Life work.


212 posted on 06/27/2005 3:29:42 PM PDT by mrs. a (It's a short life but a merry one...)
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To: Straight Vermonter

He is correct... anything other than that is idolatry. YOu cannot expect the King of Kings to leave His throne in heaven to manefest himself into a manmade wafer/loaf of bread to be consumed by humans...That is cannibalism and symbolic of human sacrifice which is condemned by God. So, why would God go against himself. ".. A kingdom divided shall not stand..."


213 posted on 06/27/2005 3:31:28 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: DonnDe
In our town they drop the kids off at Religious Ed and head off to the Church of Starbucks.

Funny!

On a serious note, call me old fashioned, but if the parents were really serious about giving their kids a Catholic education, unless there isn't a Catholic school in town, shouldn't the kids be in Catholic school fulltime instead of taking CCD classes? Just askin'.

214 posted on 06/27/2005 3:32:18 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: mdmathis6

well said!!


215 posted on 06/27/2005 3:32:59 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: Coleus

Everybody can spare 1 hour a week, IMHO.


216 posted on 06/27/2005 3:33:20 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: radiohead

Im my day, CCD was just before Mass... A sure fire way of getting you to attend...


217 posted on 06/27/2005 3:33:29 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

If you love God...It's more than an hour...If you make it a chore.. an hour can be an eternity...


218 posted on 06/27/2005 3:34:13 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: TheGeezer
Children whose parents willfully and capriciously or frivolously miss Mass gain little, if anything, from religious instruction.

How do you know that?

219 posted on 06/27/2005 3:36:48 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

I don't think I'd attend a church where I was bar coded. When I donate, I usually place cash in an unsigned envelope.


220 posted on 06/27/2005 3:38:03 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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