Posted on 06/27/2005 7:16:38 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax
I was physically there. I was appalled that the all the Demoncrats were there as well as Bloomberg, who is a Jewish RHINO getting face time but
"after Graham yielded the stage to Bill Clinton and suggested his wife Hillary should be president. "
THIS was a JOKE. People laughed. Too much is being made of this.
BG was a confident to BOTH sides of the political line. That means Republicans and Demoncrats. So to see him with the Clintons wasn't so shocking when you think about it. Schummer, the SENIOR Senator was also given some face time. NYC is a Demoncrat city so when one calms down it makes sense.
As a side note, we will hear about this until the cows come home but the press never reports on the rebuke Clinton got from Pope John Paul.
Many of those who "go forward" are volunteers from local churches who are going up to take their places in front after the altar call. The numbers going forward during a BG event are misleading.
What President Bush said was nothing more than a diplomatic statement to avoid a worldwide religious clash. A clash that only the Islamofasists, and maybe the Israelites, are prepared for.
There is no excuse for what Rev. Graham did. I understand he is old etc. but where was Franklin to advise against this "unfortunate" decision?
Forgiveness is tricky business
The Reverend Billy Graham made an appearance on the Today show a couple of weeks ago. Possibly, he scandalized more than a few of the people he’s attracted over the many decades he has been preaching.
He said he forgives President Clinton. That’s because, "I know the frailty of human nature . . . . He has such a tremendous personality that I think the ladies just go wild over him." Mr. Graham finished this comment with a chuckle.
One guy who wasn’t chuckling was former drug czar and education secretary Bill Bennett. He objected to the reverend’s readiness to forgive with a "cheap grace."
Asked Bennett: "Billy Graham forgives him for what? What has the president admitted to doing? Billy Graham forgives him for something the president has denied in his deposition he has ever done."
That’s certainly true. Bill Clinton says no about Monica and no about Kathleen and no about Paula and no about Dolly and no about every other woman he’s been asked about. Well, except for Gennifer and maybe we shouldn’t even count that because, after all, he did say no about her for years.
To my knowledge the president hasn’t accepted responsibility for real estate scams or travel office firings or FBI files or anything else. So I wonder if Billy Graham’s forgiveness covers everything or only the sins caused by that tremendous personality that makes the ladies just go wild.
Bennett went on to point out that forgiveness usually comes after acknowledgement of one’s sins and repentance. I’m not too familiar with Protestantism, but I think Protestants believe that only God can forgive sins.
The Catholic Church, of course, has the sacrament of penance and reconciliation in which a priest may absolve penitents from their sins. Except in emergencies, this usually requires a confession of the sins.
Bennett’s bewilderment (if I may use a word the president’s spin-doctors appear to have a monopoly on) is understandable. What the heck was Billy Graham doing? There’s no admission of wrongdoing, so there’s nothing to forgive. Even if there were, it’s up to God to do the forgiving. Unless Mr. Clinton converts to Catholicism and I doubt the Pope’s praying for that.
All the Reverend Graham’s done is cause confusion and provide some wandering husbands with a ready-made excuse. Yes, dear, it’s just like Billy Graham says about how frail we human beings are. And I do have this tremendous personality that makes the ladies go wild.
If Mr. Graham is intent on forgiving a president he should do it for one who’s personally wronged him. Harry S. Truman will do. He wasn’t known for his tactfulness and one day he really unloaded on the subject of – Billy Graham!
"But now we’ve got this one evangelist, this Billy Graham, and he’s gone off the beam. He’s . . . .well, I hadn’t ought to say this, but he’s one of those counterfeits I was telling you about. He claims he’s a friend of all the Presidents, but he was never a friend of mine when I was President. I just don’t go for people like that. All he’s interested in is getting his name in the paper."
That’s pretty harsh. But it’s a transgression Billy Graham can actually forgive.
Whenever you get into a discussion of morality and sins and such you take the risk of being accused of trying to be holier-than-thou. We’re all sinners – some of us much worse than others - and we all need forgiveness: the forgiveness of those we’ve hurt and the forgiveness of a loving God.
That must ultimately come from a Higher Authority. Forgiveness by Mr. Graham for unacknowledged sins may help in the polls, but that’s about it.
You said it better than I could.
Actually, Bloomberg is more accurately described as a JINO RINO.
Shopping for a new church is probably going to be a very lengthy process.
I understand - believe me! ;*)
"JINO RINO"
Ah, never heard of that one!
LOL!!!
You made my day!!!
Masonry asserts that Deism is the true religion.
Masons who profess to be Christians will always say that the Brotherhood encourages their Christianity and encourages them to participate in their church and live their beliefs. This is true - but it is beside the point.
Masons will give equal encouragement and support to Unitarians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Bahaists and New Agers and other non-Christians as well, because the Masons don't hold that any religion is objectively true, simply that most religions are subjectively true.
Masonry is a child of the Enlightenment and as such, carries the doctrines of its ancestry.
And of course, many ex-Mason Christians are ex-Masons because their local brotherhood frowned on them trying to proselytize fellow Masons who were not committed Christians.
No, but Jesus told them the truth.
Yes, some are.
The numbers going forward during a BG event are misleading.
The "volunteers" are NOT counted in the alter call response.
I was a volunteer as a field counselor and on the co-labor team at a crusade in 1994. We worked well into the night to process and send out packets to those that came forward.
Franklin honors his father as he should.
Franklin and Billy aren't always on the same page. Franklin denounced Islam. Billy Graham wouldn't. I have no doubt that BG called the shot on this one. It really shouldn't be so shocking. He reached out a hand to both Republican and Demoncrat Presidents. What I did find odd was that Pataki wasn't present.
Franklin honors his father as he should.
Franklin and Billy aren't always on the same page. Franklin denounced Islam. Billy Graham wouldn't. I have no doubt that BG called the shot on this one. It really shouldn't be so shocking. He reached out a hand to both Republican and Demoncrat Presidents. What I did find odd was that Pataki wasn't present.
what may be the legendary preacher's last crusade
If only he had the power to make them permanently go away with him. This is the classic example of brazen-ness by the Clintons. Billy Jeff was so insecure up there, he had to pretend to hold his (alleged and for show only)spouses hand. Ahhhhhh, I see the Clinton handlers are taking that new Anti-Hillary book to heart; "Hillary, you're going to be sitting up on the stage with Billy Graham, In NEW YORK, and you're going to let Bill touch your hand in Public". Can't you just imagine how this whole scene transpired??? Nothing is below contempt for these 2 lowlifes. LMAO!
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