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Camden Dad Rages (Father of one of the boys who suffocated in car trunk)
New York Post ^ | 6/27/05 | JOHN DOYLE and CYNTHIA R. FAGEN

Posted on 06/27/2005 6:58:32 AM PDT by Conservatrix

The grieving dad of the 11-year-old mentally troubled New Jersey boy who suffocated in a car trunk with two younger pals blames the state's social-services agency, saying it should have put his son in a facility where he could have gotten help.

"If he would have been put in a safe place, this wouldn't have happened. The child needed a lot of help," Anibal Cruz Sr. said yesterday. -snip-" [The division] did nothing," Cruz said. "Why didn't they lock the baby somewhere safe? When kids need help, they have to help them."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: agosto; blameeveryoneelse; boys; camden; camdencounty; irrationality; irresponsibility; nannystate
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To: soundandvision
If they were not negligent then how did a two year old manage to climb into an above the ground pool and what were they doing that they did not miss him? No two year old should ever be left anywhere unattended.

I am not unaware nor insensitive to the horror that the parents experienced and I am sure that they will never find peace. I've had my share of loss and trouble but I would not want to trade with them even for a heartbeat.

81 posted on 06/27/2005 6:16:45 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: Conservatrix

Amazing that the parents of the 11 year old found time to meet with an attorney on Saturday.


82 posted on 06/27/2005 6:19:43 PM PDT by Bossy Gillis
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To: wtc911

I don't know Bill Clinton on a personal level either.


83 posted on 06/27/2005 6:30:07 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: mabelkitty

Then feel free to draw the basest of conclusions about this man who just lost his child and about the child. You will not be lonely.


84 posted on 06/27/2005 6:33:39 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: Bossy Gillis

yes, I guess there is more to grief than tears, huh....


85 posted on 06/27/2005 8:26:34 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: mizmoutarde

I agree about orphanages....


86 posted on 06/27/2005 8:28:20 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: wtc911

I don't. Even retarded kids need discipline.

I blame the mother who was not WATCHING these kids.


87 posted on 06/27/2005 8:29:11 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Conservatrix

I'd imagine the mother has privately apologized to the family of the other children, although I can't quite picture it mentally. The mind boggles.


88 posted on 06/27/2005 8:29:54 PM PDT by hershey
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To: dennisw

I agree. Lawsuits flying thick and fast.


89 posted on 06/27/2005 8:31:41 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Conservatrix

Then you shouldn't have said what you did. Also, the mother went into the house for a few minutes and left the kids playing in the yard. I don't know of any parent that watches, hands on or eyes on to their kid 24/7. I know I didn't and I don't blame the mother for what happened, nor do I think it makes her a bad parent. Shit happens. Always has, always will. If we are going to go thru life assigning blame for every accident, then we are all going to be blamed for something eventually.


90 posted on 06/27/2005 8:33:58 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: mizmoutarde
Good parents blame themselves first. Then, after the emotion has cleared some, they examine the situation more logically to learn what they can do to prevent it from happening again.

In the cases of accidental death of a child I know of, even tangentially, the parents were very, very hard on themselves and questioned their decisions. It was agonizing.

91 posted on 06/27/2005 8:34:44 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: infocats

Heavy rainstorms that evening. People were probably inside. I don't think it took very long for 3 kids to suffocate in the trunk. Maybe a couple of hours.


92 posted on 06/27/2005 8:36:09 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: ariamne

My 99 Camry does NOT have the safety release in the trunk, so I'm sure a 92 wouldn't.


93 posted on 06/27/2005 8:37:18 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Bossy Gillis

No, the 11 year-old had 'development problems', whatever that means. We know he was playing with very much younger kids and that this wasn't unusual for him. Cars are magnets for boys of all ages, you'd think that would have been one of the first places they'd have checked. The troubling question is why nobody opened that trunk (experienced cops),once they realized the kids were actually missing. I guess it was so frantic, everybody panicking and the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. Still.


94 posted on 06/27/2005 8:39:25 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Conservatrix

I have to wonder about how the father was questioned by the reporter to illicit a statement like this. Maybe we should start calling it reporter Phishing or media Phishing.


95 posted on 06/27/2005 8:41:03 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.And we're unlikely to get a look into this t)
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To: YankeeGirl

Oh dear, your post sounds like things are even worse than at first glance, and if I were that dad, I'd be screaming bloody murder and God knows what else at SS. If his ex has suddenly disappeared from public view, you know why.


96 posted on 06/27/2005 8:42:34 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Trust but Verify; wtc911

The woman says "for a few minutes." How can that be proved? Maybe it was a few minutes. Maybe if was 40 minutes.

I have six children and I watch them like a hawk. None of my children is allowed outside alone. Period. An older child must accompany a younger child outside. Certain places are off limits. I would NEVER in ALL MY YEARS AS A MOTHER thought about leaving 5 year olds outside alone for 4 seconds, let alone 4 minutes (if such is the case). I include in this the poor 11-year olf boy who was supposedly "retarded" and had a mentality of a 5-year old. (Maybe he just acted like a 5-year old but I don't know). The woman left the equivalent of three 5-year old boys alone outside in Camden New Jersey, for a few minutes or many minutes. It matters not.


I am sorry but that is a bad parent.

Yes Virginia, there is a way to be a mother, and it means BEING THERE.


97 posted on 06/27/2005 8:43:11 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: BraveMan

I'm so sorry about the death of your son. A lawsuit by the father of this dead child in Camden is the only way he can hold the SS feet to the fire and perhaps prevent another tragedy from happening. Sadly, sometimes social agencies only pay attention when it costs them in court.


98 posted on 06/27/2005 8:47:07 PM PDT by hershey
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To: sandbar

This wretched story is all too common, and it makes you wonder what in the world is happening to this country.


99 posted on 06/27/2005 8:48:30 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Dionysius

What you said about lawyers. Yes, and that goes double.


100 posted on 06/27/2005 8:49:35 PM PDT by hershey
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