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Camden Dad Rages (Father of one of the boys who suffocated in car trunk)
New York Post ^ | 6/27/05 | JOHN DOYLE and CYNTHIA R. FAGEN

Posted on 06/27/2005 6:58:32 AM PDT by Conservatrix

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To: wtc911

Why don't you lay off the childish name calling for 5 minutes. Just relax, more details will be forthcoming, Camden is a cesspool, mark my words.


41 posted on 06/27/2005 8:48:41 AM PDT by Bossy Gillis
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To: Conservatrix
The grieving dad of the 11-year-old mentally troubled New Jersey boy who suffocated in a car trunk with two younger pals blames the state's social-services agency, saying it should have put his son in a facility where he could have gotten help.

It's always someone else's fault. Geesh.
42 posted on 06/27/2005 8:52:32 AM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Dionysius

I made no comment about the actions of the parents. My only objection is to the demeaning of the older boy based on nothing but imagination and prejudice. In my society speaking ill of the dead is considered less than civil, even if one speaks the truth. To speak ill of the dead without substantiation is down right low. If the dead person is a child the the word despicable enters the conversation.


43 posted on 06/27/2005 8:53:10 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: bearsgirl90

>>>It's always someone else's fault. Geesh.

It is when he can't obtain custody and DCFS won't help him. You wouldn't be so glib if you knew your child wasn't being watched like you knew they needed to be and could do nothing about it.


44 posted on 06/27/2005 8:58:25 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: wtc911
I'm with you. Let's not trash a kid who probably died horribly.

I blame the caretakers--who was watching these kids? I mean, a five year old? I don't even let my 8 year old out in the front yard unless I'm watching, and I live in a nice neighborhood!

45 posted on 06/27/2005 9:05:48 AM PDT by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: traumer

Of course. The state of New Jersey better be prepared to pay some big bucks. Fox showing that female detective walking around the car, looking under it but NOT opening the trunk will be exhibit number 1. Doesn't matter that the poor little boys were probably already dead.....that if the mom that was supposed to be watching them had started looking for them right away, perhaps she would have heard their cries for help and banging from inside the trunk...nope. It's the states fault and bringing in Family Services just is more $$$$$ for the settlement to come. IMO


46 posted on 06/27/2005 9:22:36 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Conservatrix
That father is looking for a fat lawsuit, praying that the agency will settle.

The parents should have watched their kids - imagine leaving kids that young unsupervised in a high crime area after all the media stories about sex offenders targeting kids.

47 posted on 06/27/2005 9:29:10 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: stinkerpot65
It was just a terrible accident. Nothing more. You can't keep an 11 year old boy locked in the closet all day long. I can remember when I was a kid in the 60's kids were locking themselves in old refrigerators and suffocating.

And subsequently, a law was passed that required anyone disposing of a refrigerator to either remove (or otherwise secure) the door. I wonder if that law would be applicable in this case?

48 posted on 06/27/2005 9:34:54 AM PDT by infocats
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To: Bossy Gillis
Camden is a cesspool so the dead boy is fair game? He couldn't possibly have been as described from day one. Nope, you know better (but won't say how) and feel it's ok to speak ill of him. I've expressed my opinion of those who demean the character of the dead, with or (as in this case) without any proof. Such behaviour lacks class at the least and, since in this case the target is a dead child, qualifies as despicable. You are fine with it though so I can only conclude that we have a different standard.

Have a nice day.

49 posted on 06/27/2005 9:40:00 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: ariamne

Yep, adults at fault, as is nearly always the case in accidental death of children.


50 posted on 06/27/2005 9:42:54 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: Jrabbit

"Fox showing that female detective walking around the car, looking under it but NOT opening the trunk will be exhibit number 1."

Someone left a stolen car in front of my house (motor running) and the *first* thing I did (after 911) was go knock on the trunk to see if anyone was inside.


51 posted on 06/27/2005 9:44:50 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Bossy Gillis
I suspect this kid was a brat, am not buying that he was retarded.

He may have been a brat too, but typically, 11 year old kids don't hang out with 5 and 6 year olds. That's a sign something was wrong with him.

52 posted on 06/27/2005 9:47:41 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Someone left that trunk open.

Unless the car itself was unlocked, and it had one of those trunk opening buttons in the glove compartment. Kids might have been playing in the car and discovered the button.

53 posted on 06/27/2005 9:50:15 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

My Camry has a trunk release down by the drivers seat. Mine is a 1999 and one of my sons still drives a 1992 model! Over 200,000 miles and still going. Anyway, it also has the trunk release by the drivers seat.


54 posted on 06/27/2005 9:59:06 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: MEGoody

That is possible but I have only seen that button on newer models. I bought a new Buick last summer with that and have to remind myself to keep it locked since all it would take would be a smashed window to open the trunk.

How ironic to watch the deputy walk around the car knowing that the kids were in the trunk. And disturbing.


55 posted on 06/27/2005 10:00:37 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: MEGoody

That's what I thought too, the parents are nuts letting 5 year olds play with an 11 year old. Methinks this isn't the first time the 11 year old pulled a caper with younger kids. That kid was on a collision course.


56 posted on 06/27/2005 10:07:56 AM PDT by Bossy Gillis
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To: wtc911

Yes, Camden is a cesspool, there is no argument there. This 11 year old should not have been hanging out with little 5 year old kids. Like I said to another poster, he has probably pulled stunts in the past. Your classless poster says good by and you have a nice day too.


57 posted on 06/27/2005 10:12:12 AM PDT by Bossy Gillis
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To: justshutupandtakeit
How ironic to watch the deputy walk around the car knowing that the kids were in the trunk. And disturbing.

I agree. I can't imagine why no one heard the kids inside the trunk. Did the kids not yell or kick at the lid trying to get out? I just don't get it.

58 posted on 06/27/2005 10:18:19 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: infocats

Seems like I read the trunk had malfunctioned. I believe trunks are designed to be opened from the inside.

The sad thing is that in our quest to create a risk-free world (the goal of every liberal) we are going to have to lock up our kids in rubber rooms 24 hours a day.

I can remember going outside and roaming the woods from sunup to sundown in the summer. Kids can't do that anymore. Partly because we allow pedophiles to exist, but also because we no longer allow for the possibility of accidents.

Even on this conservative board, as soon as anyone dies accidently, the assumption is that someone is to blame and must be punished.

It's all about Hillary's Village, and even Freerepublic has the disease.


59 posted on 06/27/2005 11:04:51 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: MEGoody

They had probably fallen asleep or suffocated prior to that. Though it is surprizing that a trunk would be that airtight.


60 posted on 06/27/2005 11:23:11 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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