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SAN FRANCISCO: No signs posted on eve of outdoor smoking ban
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 6/25/5 | Charlie Goodyear

Posted on 06/25/2005 9:41:53 AM PDT by SmithL

With a law barring smokers from lighting up in nearly all city-run open spaces in San Francisco scheduled to take effect next Friday, "No Smoking" signs have yet to be posted, raising questions about how well the ban will be enforced.

Six months ago, the Board of Supervisors passed what is believed to be the most comprehensive outdoor smoking ban in the country. The ban covers parks, squares, gardens and playing fields under city jurisdiction. First offenders could be slapped with a $100 fine issued by a police officer or member of the city's park patrol.

At the time the legislation was passed, city officials estimated that more than 1,000 signs might need to be posted at hundreds of locations around San Francisco. But so far, the Recreation and Park Department has not budgeted any funds for the new signs, according to Supervisor Michela Alioto-Pier, who sponsored the legislation creating the ban.

And department officials conceded last week that they haven't even created a mock-up of a sign that would alert residents to the new ordinance.

"That's an outrage,'' Alioto-Pier said, adding that she had written Yomi Agunbiade, the department's acting general manager, a letter about the issue. "They're supposed to be implementing this next week. It's wholly irresponsible. "

The signs are important because city officials are hoping that peer pressure will do more than ticket-writing police officers can in curbing smoking -- and the littering of cigarette butts -- at city parks. But without the law clearly posted, civic-minded citizens might find it hard telling scofflaw smokers to "put it out."

"I think it's fair to say it's going to be a slow rollout,''

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: heresyoursign; nosmoking; pufflist; signssigns
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To: softwarecreator

My kind of man.................


21 posted on 06/25/2005 11:09:46 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: Gabz
My kind of man.................

I forgot, I'm also straight.

No wonder they hate me.  =)

22 posted on 06/25/2005 11:14:13 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Max in Utah
You have a point, Dr. Freud.

I guess what I'm really trying to figure out is the almost fascistic zeal some of these women take in making people kowtow to behavior they think is "proper" -- at the expense of everybody's freedom. I'm honestly in the dark as to how one's life could be ruled by such a mad need for control.

One thing I do know: No one into this sort of behavior has any sense of humor at all.

23 posted on 06/25/2005 11:14:24 AM PDT by JennysCool (In a perfect world, where everything is equal, I own the film rights and am working on the sequel)
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To: Gabz; SheLion; Just another Joe; CSM; Conspiracy Guy; Mears; Madame Dufarge
In light of the recent SC fiasco, I think we should all be proud that we were out there shouting about property rights for years before the Supreme Bozos cut everybody off at the knees.

Just thinkin' out loud...

24 posted on 06/25/2005 11:17:24 AM PDT by metesky (This land is your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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To: softwarecreator

LOL!!!!!!!!!

And other than that he is Methodist - you perfectly match the description of my husband!


25 posted on 06/25/2005 11:18:35 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: metesky

I have been thinking the exact same thing.


26 posted on 06/25/2005 11:19:52 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: JennysCool
No one into this sort of behavior has any sense of humor at all.

You got that right. They're the True Believers, convinced of the absolute correctness of their position, and we're the wretched sinners who must be subdued and made to obey.

A cow pie in the face for every one of 'em! And make it fresh!

27 posted on 06/25/2005 11:27:29 AM PDT by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: Max in Utah
we're the wretched sinners who must be subdued and made to obey.

The ironic thing is, they're usually atheists!

28 posted on 06/25/2005 11:31:11 AM PDT by JennysCool (In a perfect world, where everything is equal, I own the film rights and am working on the sequel)
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To: SmithL

Will defecating on the city streets still be allowed? I sure hope so! Taking away that right would be absolutely intolerable. Maybe an ordinance can be passed that will allow that to take place on the City Hall steps instead.


29 posted on 06/25/2005 11:37:34 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Gabz
And other than that he is Methodist - you perfectly match the description of my husband!

Hahaha ... we are the Few, the Proud, the Hated.

30 posted on 06/25/2005 11:46:42 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: softwarecreator

And with my husband it's actually one step further - not only doesn't he hate smokers, he is one himself :)


31 posted on 06/25/2005 11:51:04 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: righttackle44; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; Cantiloper; metesky; ...
I don't like to be around smokers. Personally, I think--are you ready for this?--smokers really need help.

I think your attitude needs help! heh!

So, what is your relaxation of choice?  Prescription drugs or booze, eh?

32 posted on 06/25/2005 11:55:10 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: metesky; Gabz

Unbelievable!

I thought the reason for banning smoking in enclosed spaces was because of all the nasty litte "critters" that were left in the smoke.Now you can't smoke in a park.What's the rationale now?

Every smoker in SF should have a weekly "smoke-in" at the parks. They do it once a year in Boston for the marijuana crowd and that's an illegal activity.

Madness,absolute madness.Civil disobedience is in order here.


33 posted on 06/25/2005 11:57:14 AM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: Gabz
No madame supervisor - what is an outrage and totally irresponsible is the fact you introduced this idiocy in the first place .............

Ahh San Fran.  The home of gay men, lesbian women and transvestites!  All is well in San Fran land as long as no one is seen smoking.

~gag!



34 posted on 06/25/2005 11:59:17 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Mears
Every smoker in SF should have a weekly "smoke-in" at the parks. They do it once a year in Boston for the marijuana crowd and that's an illegal activity.

Great idea, because now in San Fran the tobacco smoking is the illegal activity :(

35 posted on 06/25/2005 12:00:19 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: metesky
In light of the recent SC fiasco, I think we should all be proud that we were out there shouting about property rights for years before the Supreme Bozos cut everybody off at the knees.

Oh yes!  Maybe this eminent domain issue will get the anti-smokers the hell off of our backs!

36 posted on 06/25/2005 12:00:50 PM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion; metesky
Oh yes! Maybe this eminent domain issue will get the anti-smokers the hell off of our backs!

Are you kidding? This SC ruling just validated the claims of the antis.........they will use that to crank up the attacks on private businesses.

37 posted on 06/25/2005 12:03:17 PM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: JennysCool
I'm genuinely curious: what is it about socialism that seems to appeal to this vast swath of women (our hyper-intelligent, stunning and witty FReeper women excluded, of course)?

I don't even blame those women for it, really - it's rooted in biology. She is going to do whatever is necessary to make sure her children survive to adulthood, and if that means adoping government as a surrogate husband/father, then so be it.

Generally, once a woman is married and realizes just how big a bite the government is taking out of her family's income to fund all those socialist programs (thereby hurting her children's chances of surviving to adulthood) her whole attitude changes, and she starts buying Anne Coulter books. ;)

38 posted on 06/25/2005 12:05:42 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Gabz

I'm afraid you're correct. Pressure must be applied at the state level now if anyone's property is to remain safe.


39 posted on 06/25/2005 12:08:46 PM PDT by metesky (This land is your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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To: Mears; Gabz; SheLion
Civil disobedience is in order here.

You know, I've always been something of a goody-two-shoes (with the puzzling exception of my terrible smoking habit, hee hee), but the idea of a smoke-in has got some appeal to me. I am sick and tired of watching these guys (liberals, and people too lazy to do anything but go with the flow) get away with this incrementalism.

The SC is going to hell in a handbasket, and it's a cancer spreading to the rest of the government. Federal, state and local. When the little guys see the big guys getting away with stuff, they just hitch their wagons to it, and away we go. (Precedent-the sneaky, backdoor friend of pols everywhere...not just the ones in black robes)

I am sick of being pressured into eating healthier (no trans-fat versions of favorite products), exercising more, and quitting smoking. If I want to be a chain-smoking fat slob couch potato, that ought to be my choice. By the same token, I don't believe my fellow citizens should be forced to subsidize that lifestyle, either. If I make crappy lifestyle choices, then I ought to pay for them (literally and figuratively).

I swear, if ONE PERSON pipes up about the so-called "dangers of second-hand smoke", I think I'll scream.

Rant off.

40 posted on 06/25/2005 12:10:08 PM PDT by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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