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Indianapolis, Indiana rushes to use SC ruling to seize property
FOX News

Posted on 06/24/2005 10:38:12 AM PDT by jeffers

Last night's local Fox News ran a story that our local government is looking at using this precedent to force downtown landowners out to make room for a new sports stadium.

This was followed by a story announcing a new plan for a rapid transit system which will require the displacement of tens of thousands of homes and businesses.

it's as if the government here has been planning and waiting for this decision to be handed down, and can't wait to start seizing property under this travesty of justice.

No one is safe, not anywhere in the country.

Any state can pass a law saying we won't do it today, and later, when the furor dies down, quietly change the law back to business as usual.

The Constitution is supoposed to be our final line of protection, but the Supreme Court abdicated their authority.

Or worse.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bastards; eminentdomain; indiana; indianapolis; kelo; landgrab; tyranny; zimbabwe
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To: jeffers

Didn't take long, did it?


81 posted on 06/24/2005 12:53:10 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: AmishDude

Where does it say in the constitution "public good" or "to benefit the public". The Phase "public use" is pretty clear, if they meant something else they would have stated that way.

The Clinton Excuse doesn't fly.

What does "is" really mean?


82 posted on 06/24/2005 12:55:22 PM PDT by commonerX
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks...


83 posted on 06/24/2005 12:57:46 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: commonerX

Why are you replying to me?


84 posted on 06/24/2005 12:59:40 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: RockinRight

Do more. Email is too easily ignored. Make a call and write a real letter.


85 posted on 06/24/2005 12:59:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: jeffers

Wrong. Any court would have said: "Stadium? Yep, ED applies here." and the homeowner's only legal recourse would have been over the price for the land. That is wholly independent of the Kelo decision which addresses for which purposes ED can be used.


86 posted on 06/24/2005 1:01:37 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: little jeremiah

As near as I can tell the site accepts petitions from a wide spectrum of viewpoints.

The host or parent company seems to be an outfit called Artifice, Inc.

Google leads to this page, a designer of CAD software.

http://www.artifice.com/

Like any online site, I wouldn't give them my primary e-mail address, but that's all they ask for and I know what I signed.

I see no risk to signing, or else I wouldn't have signed myself and propagated the link.


87 posted on 06/24/2005 1:01:43 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Nor did the City need any new ruling to take land for a transit system.


88 posted on 06/24/2005 1:02:47 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I am definitely-but sent email for immediate arrival.


89 posted on 06/24/2005 1:02:51 PM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: retrokitten

Not long ago in Orlando the old Navy base was shut down. It was on extremely valuable land so the town sold it off to developers (their friends) at dirt cheap prices. The people who have lived here their whole lives get nothing.


90 posted on 06/24/2005 1:03:26 PM PDT by subterfuge (Hillary's Operative Cooked the Books! **just keep saying that wherever you go**)
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To: RockinRight
There's a petition started for IMPEACHMENT of the SC justices who voted for this insanity:

http://www.petitiononline.com/lp001/petition.html

91 posted on 06/24/2005 1:03:44 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: AmishDude

"That is wholly independent of the Kelo decision
which addresses for which purposes ED can be used."

So FOX just invented last night's story from thin air?

Sorry friend, your arguments are either politically naive or else politically motivated.

Ciao.


92 posted on 06/24/2005 1:05:03 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: jeffers

Thanks!


93 posted on 06/24/2005 1:05:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: jeffers

Here in Denver, both Lakewood and Wheat Ridge have stated they will also use it.


94 posted on 06/24/2005 1:09:48 PM PDT by shellshocked (BLOAT, Cache, Take Names!!!)
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To: AmishDude

Yah, that's my point. Instead of flailing around, why don't the people involved work to get a law passed? I wouldn't think it would be hard to get a LOT of pressure put on lawmakers to change it.


95 posted on 06/24/2005 1:11:55 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Not all, but at least 5.


96 posted on 06/24/2005 1:12:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: coloradan
I also happen to disagree that stadia are acceptable uses for ED.

You're welcome to do so. The problem is that this comes out of the railroad rulings in the 1800s. Stadia have a similar problem. They need many acres of contiguous land. (Parking, etc.) One holdout ruins the whole deal. The same argument could be made for a development district, but if the development district were only 90% of the planned space, it could still happen. Not so with a stadium.

You could argue that railroads are much more essential as a transportation medium than a stadium as a sports and entertainment arena and you would be right, but my point is that this has already been settled.

Your idea of "just compensation" is interesting, but it ultimately inshrines this bad idea of ED into law. For "public use" the value of property often goes down or is unable to be properly assessed (a public park, for example) because it cannot be used privately.

97 posted on 06/24/2005 1:13:18 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: jeffers
All Tucks products All Anusol products

I'll boycott all but those. After this SCOTUS ruling, I'm gonna need them.

98 posted on 06/24/2005 1:13:42 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: editor-surveyor

I was #348 to sign.


99 posted on 06/24/2005 1:13:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: jeffers
So FOX just invented last night's story from thin air?

Sorry, I don't watch it 24/7. Not everybody knows what you're talking about.

100 posted on 06/24/2005 1:14:54 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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