Posted on 06/23/2005 1:45:19 PM PDT by seamus
"Its outrageous that the same Democrats who stood by Dick Durbins libeling of our military are now expressing faux outrage over Karl Roves statement of historical fact. George Soros, Michael Moore, MoveOn and the hard left were wrong after 9/11, just as it was wrong for Democrat leaders to stand by and remain silent after Dick Durbin made his deplorable comments.
- RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman
Liberal Third Party Groups Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Immediately After 9/11, MoveOn.Org Petition Urged Moderation And Restraint And Use Of International Judicial Institutions.
We, The Undersigned, Citizens And Residents Of The United States Of America Appeal To The President Of The United States, George W. Bush And To All Leaders Internationally To Use Moderation And Restraint In Responding To The Recent Terrorist Attacks Against The United States. (MoveOn.Org Website, MoveOn Peace, http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
We Implore The Powers That Be To Use, Wherever Possible, International Judicial Institutions And International Human Rights Law To Bring To Justice Those Responsible For The Attacks, Rather Than The Instruments Of War, Violence Or Destruction. (MoveOn.Org Website, MoveOn Peace, http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
[W]e Demand That There Be No Recourse To Nuclear, Chemical Or Biological Weapons, Or Any Weapons Of Indiscriminate Destruction, And Feel That It Is Our Inalienable Human Right To Live In A World Free Of Such Arms. (MoveOn.Org Website, MoveOn Peace, http://web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)
Just After 9/11, Liberal Filmmaker Michael Moore Derided Terror And Bloodshed Committed By Americans. (David Brooks, Op-Ed, All Hail Moore, The New York Times, 6/26/04)
Just After 9/11, Moore Blamed Americas Taxpayer-Funded Terrorism And Bush Administration For Terrorist Attacks. We abhor terrorism unless were the ones doing the terrorizing. We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me. Lets mourn, lets grieve, and when its appropriate lets examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in. (Michael Moore Website Archive, Death, Downtown, Posted 9/12/01, www.michaelmoore.com, Accessed 7/27/04)
Michael Moore Said U.S. Should Not Have Removed Taliban After 9/11. Moore: Likewise, to bomb Afghanistan I mean, Ive never understood this, Tim. (CNBCs Tim Russert, 10/19/02)
Liberal Donor George Soros Claimed America Should Have Treated 9/11 Attacks As Crime, Responded With Police Work. War is a false and misleading metaphor in the context of combating terrorism. Treating the attacks of September 11 as crimes against humanity would have been more appropriate. Crimes require police work, not military action. To protect against terrorism, you need precautionary measures, awareness, and intelligence gathering all of which ultimately depend on the support of the populations among which terrorists operate. Imagine for a moment that September 11 had been treated as a crime. We would have pursued Bin Laden in Afghanistan, but we would not have invaded Iraq. Nor would we have our military struggling to perform police work in full combat gear and getting killed in the process. (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 18)
Soros Said The Execution Of 9/11 Attacks Could Not Have Been More Spectacular. Admittedly, the terrorist attack was a historic event in its own right. Hijacking fully loaded airplanes and using them as suicide bombs was an audacious idea, and the execution could not have been more spectacular. (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 2)
Soros Said War On Terror Had Claimed More Innocent Victims Than 9/11 Attack Itself. This is a very tough thing to say, but the fact is, that the war on terror as conducted by this administration, has claimed more innocent victims that the original attack itself. (George Soros, Remarks At Take Back America Conference, Washington, DC, 6/3/04)
Liberal Democrats Urged Restraint, Blamed America:
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH): The Time For Peace Is Now, [Kucinich] Declared Optimistically July 11, Two Months To The Day Before Terrorists Hit The Pentagon And The World Trade Center. Sitting In His Capitol Hill Office Last Week, Near A Window Where He Could See The Smoke Rising From The Pentagon On Sept. 11, Kucinich Insisted He Is More Optimistic Than Ever That People Worldwide Are Ready To Embrace The Cause Of Nonviolence. (Elizabeth Auster, Offer The Hand Of Peace, [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
Kucinich: Afghanistan May Be An Incubator Of Terrorism But It Doesnt Follow That We Bomb Afghanistan (Elizabeth Auster, Offer The Hand Of Peace, [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, Uh-Oh, Weve Got Some Problems With These People, I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming. (Ethan Wallison, War A Challenge For Peace Caucus, Roll Call, 10/1/01)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States. (Eddy Ramirez, Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution, [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)
Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown. (Adam Nagourney, Say It Loud, The New York Times, 12/1/02)
Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown. One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown, Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade. (Malie Rulon, Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots, The Associated Press, 3/6/03)
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. How much longer does the bombing campaign continue? Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. Were going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues. (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
The Bombing Campaign, [Biden] Said, Reinforced Existing Stereotypes Of The United States As A High-Tech Bully (Miles A. Pomper, "Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities," Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)
Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials. (Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty, The Associated Press, 12/26/03)
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) To High School Students: How Would [Muslims] Look At Us Today If We Had Been There Helping Them With Some Of That Rather Than Just Being The People Who Are Going To Bomb In Iraq And Go To Afghanistan? War Is Expensive Too Your Generation Ought To Be Thinking About Whether We Should Be Better Neighbors Out In Other Countries So That They Have A Different Vision Of Us. (Gregg Herrington, Senator Asks Students To Ponder, The [Vancouver, WA] Columbian, 12/19/02)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): [W]ar On Terror Is Far Less Of A Military Operation And Far More Of An Intelligence-Gathering, Law-Enforcement Operation. (The Iowa Brown & Black Coalition Presidential Forum, Des Moines, IA, 1/11/04)
Kerry: [W]hat Weve Learned Is That The War On Terror Is Much More Of An Intelligence Operation And A Law Enforcement Operation. (NPRs All Things Considered, 3/19/03)
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Great Strategery, Karl - YOU RULE!
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yup, thank god he was defeated in November.
Declared his GangOfSeven would vote with the democrats to censure Mr. Rove.
Plans Op-ed for Sunday's NYTimes.
Stop proving Rove to be right. It's not fair! waaaahhh [/sarcasm]
Now these are some excellent points.
Of course he won't.
Get real and support what he and now Mehlman have said.
Thanks for the post. Finally, the Republicans are starting to learn that you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Fire away. Nice shooting, Ken.
NO WAY! McCain said that? I hadn't heard that. What a ______. (Fill in the blank with your own nasty thought(s).)
DemonRATs, you've been punk'd!
I LOVE that caption! LOL.
Pray for W and Our Iraq Winning Troops
The folks at the DUmpster really don't get it..I'm here for the content.Not BS smiley's and stupid little stars next to my name. I guess they need all those decorations, because surely the DUmpster is lacking in content (well, the tinfoil stuff is pretty funny though).
I like the way this site is.
Precisely.
If this wasn't scripted to trap the Dems, Mehlman never would have had these remarks to repudiate the Dems so quickly. And Scott is a nice guy, but his offensive today isn't typical. he was prepped for this way in advance.
Dems were just trapped and walked right in. LOL
Ah...Dr. Frist, here's the notepad - start writing.
I'm sick and tired of those who take every opportunity to knock the party, even when you're happy about what has just been done or said.
Maybe, perhaps, by chance this was W's plan when he insisted there be another cloture vote on Bolton. It makes sense to me.
Remarks of Karl Rove as Prepared for Delivery
New York Conservative Party
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
I skip to the relevant passage....
Let me now say a few words about the state of liberalism. Perhaps the place to begin is with this stinging indictment:
Liberalism is at greater risk now than at any time in recent American history. The risk is of political marginality, even irrelevance. [L]iberalism risks getting defined, as conservatism once was, entirely in negative terms.
These are not the words of William F. Buckley, Jr. or Sean Hannity; they are the words of Paul Starr, co-editor of The American Prospect, a leading liberal publication.
There is much merit in what Mr. Starr writes though he and I fundamentally disagree as to why liberalism is edging toward irrelevance. I believe the reason can be seen when comparing conservatism with liberalism.
Conservatives believe in lower taxes; liberals believe in higher taxes. We want few regulations; they want more. Conservatives measure the effectiveness of government programs by results; liberals measure the effectiveness of government programs by inputs. We believe in curbing the size of government; they believe in expanding the size of government. Conservatives believe in making America a less litigious society; liberals believe in making America a more litigious society. We believe in accountability and parental choice in education; they dont. Conservatives believe in advancing what Pope John Paul II called a culture of life; liberals believe there is an absolute unlimited right to abortion.
But perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was time to unleash the might and power of the United States military against the Taliban; in the wake of 9/11, liberals believed it was time to submit a petition. I am not joking. Submitting a petition is precisely what Moveon.org did. It was a petition imploring the powers that be to use moderation and restraint in responding to the terrorist attacks against the United States.
I dont know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt as I watched the Twin Towers crumble to the earth; a side of the Pentagon destroyed; and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble.
Moderation and restraint is not what I felt and moderation and restraint is not what was called for. It was a moment to summon our national will and to brandish steel.
MoveOn.Org, Michael Moore and Howard Dean may not have agreed with this, but the American people did.
Conservatives saw what happened to us on 9/11 and said: we will defeat our enemies. Liberals saw what happened to us and said: we must understand our enemies. Conservatives see the United States as a great nation engaged in a noble cause; liberals see the United States and they see Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, and the killing fields of Cambodia.
Has there been a more revealing moment this year than when Democratic Senator Richard Durbin, speaking on the Senate floor, compared what Americans had done to prisoners in our control at Guantanamo Bay with what was done by Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot three of the most brutal and malevolent figures in the 20th century?
Let me put this in fairly simple terms: Al Jazeera now broadcasts to the region the words of Senator Durbin, certainly putting Americas men and women in uniform in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals.
Let me end where I began. Forty years ago, Lyndon Baines Johnson, a proud liberal, won the Presidency in a landslide. His party held 68 Senate seats; 295 House seats; and 33 governorships.
In 2004 George W. Bush, a proud conservative, won the Presidency for the second time, receiving the most votes in American history. His party has now won seven of the last 10 Presidential elections. Republicans hold 55 Senate seats; 232 House seats; and 28 governorships.
These facts underscore how much progress has been made in four decades. It has been a remarkable rise. But it is also a cautionary tale of what happens to a dominant party in this case, the Democrat Party -- when its thinking becomes ossified; when its energy begins to drain; when an entitlement mentality takes over; and when political power becomes an end in itself rather than a means to achieve the common good. We need to learn from our successes and from the failures of the other side and ourselves. As the governing movement in America, conservatives cannot grow tired or timid. We have been given the opportunity to govern; now we have to show we deserve the trust of our fellow citizens.
At one time the conservative movement was largely a reactionary political party and there was a sense of pessimism even among many of its ardent champions. Youll recall that Whittaker Chambers, who gave up his affiliation with Communism to join the West in its struggle for freedom, said he believed he was joining the losing side.
For decades, liberals were setting the agenda, the pace of change, and the visionary goals. Conservatives were simply reacting to them. But times change, often for the better and this President and today's conservative movement are shaping history, not trying to stop it. Together we are articulating a compelling vision of a better world -- and I am grateful to all of you who are making that better world a reality.
Thank you very much for your attention, for your support of this President, and above all, for your devotion to this country.
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I know what you mean about Scott---
he isn't the most glib person when he is taken by surprise, and his statement WAS glib....LOL
Just like babies need bells and sparkling things in their cribs to keep their attention drawn when no one else is around, the DUmmies need smileys and stars and icons to keep their attention off the lack of real ideas and content on their site.
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