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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




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KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: Bridgette

GEEZ!! I just realized that I was back at the beginning of the thread about 5000 posts out of date. Cripe, I guess I just HAD A BLONDE MOMENT, DON'T MIND ME!! **BLUSH**


5,061 posted on 06/30/2005 12:09:12 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Oh Jeez, don't do that to me LOL. If PVDS ever became the new President I would honestly probably self destruct.

As to the Prosecutor, I kind of liked her. I sensed that she is REALLY TRYING to Prosecute this case but has an uphill battle. She was FINALLY ABLE to say something. I thought her statement about PVDS being disruptive to the case.


5,062 posted on 06/30/2005 12:27:34 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Canadian Outrage

There was a light moment in Mickey John's interview the other evening. He said when they awoke him to arrest him, there were about 10 policemen in his bedroom, and in the background, he thought he saw Natalee's mother. It was actually the prosecutor, Karen Jannsen.

So many blondes. I can see how Mickey became confused.


5,063 posted on 06/30/2005 12:42:52 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: beyond the sea

That punk looks like he's been in the sun in those pictures. What do you think? It isn't just the smirk. He doesn't look stressed at all!!


5,064 posted on 06/30/2005 12:49:43 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: demkicker

THAT New Judge was "cherry picked" by somebody for a reason. The Judge presiding before this slimeball, was making the correct rulings!!


5,065 posted on 06/30/2005 12:59:06 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Canadian Outrage; All

New thread is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/1433901/posts?page=177


5,066 posted on 06/30/2005 1:10:42 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)
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To: Palladin

BETH IS RIGHT.


5,067 posted on 06/30/2005 2:19:25 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: gingersnaps
Thanks for your roundup of the shows, which I was unable to see last night!

Greta asked him if he was under the impression that either Mr. vdS or Joran seemed to know that Natalee was missing, at that first meeting with the Holloway-Twittys. Croes said no, he didn't think they did.

This really is an important point.

5,068 posted on 06/30/2005 3:24:49 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: maggiefluffs
Is that why Beth is so certain that Natalee was at the vdS home at 3:15 am?

It may have been a call, but Beth would not have known from where the call was coming that soon.

I think it is more (Occam's Razor) likely that Natalee told one of her friends that she would be spending the night at Joran's. Maybe Joran told her not to tell anyone, but girls ALWAYS do (remember all Monica Lewinski's emails to her friends about polishing the President?). So when Beth became aware of the situation she may have asked to speak to that friend, or that friend may have finally told the chaperone because she believed her friend was in danger. Beth may have known the name of the person Natalee was supposed to be with before she got on her plane to Aruba.

5,069 posted on 06/30/2005 3:31:49 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Lizarde
I am sick of the whole story. "Concerned Parents" send their elitist female offspring on a rich kids trip to Aruba. Young "lady" demonstrates her best qualities and honors her family by voluntarily taking off alone with a car load of drugged/drunk boys. Disappears... Maybe the boys had something to do with it maybe not. Maybe the little rich drug using and or drunk girl decided to swim home. Who cares? I sure don't. No sympathy either. Big media BS circus. I tell my kids (Boys and Girls) If they get drugged up or drunk and get in trouble look for sympathy from me somewhere between Shostakovitch and a Social disease. There are better people to be concerned about and more important issues that our media should be focusing on.

Wm
5,070 posted on 06/30/2005 7:24:35 PM PDT by WLR (Elitism is a mental disorder, contagious and deadly)
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To: WLR

Feel free to shut up and ignore this thread.


5,071 posted on 06/30/2005 7:26:26 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: justche

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5,072 posted on 06/30/2005 8:20:50 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: WLR
I am sick of the whole story. "Concerned Parents" send their elitist female offspring on a rich kids trip to Aruba. Young "lady" demonstrates her best qualities and honors her family by voluntarily taking off alone with a car load of drugged/drunk boys. Disappears... Maybe the boys had something to do with it maybe not. Maybe the little rich drug using and or drunk girl decided to swim home. Who cares? I sure don't. No sympathy either. Big media BS circus. I tell my kids (Boys and Girls) If they get drugged up or drunk and get in trouble look for sympathy from me somewhere between Shostakovitch and a Social disease. There are better people to be concerned about and more important issues that our media should be focusing on.

Well, good for you! Why don't you just quit posting on the Natalee threads since you obviously are a coarse, uncaring individual who knows absolutely "zero" about the family and Natalee as a person.

I am from her home town, know friends of hers and KNOW FOR A FACT that your slanderous comments are just that - SLANDER. So keep your trap shut about things you have no clue about.

Knowing this is a free country and ANYBODY can have their own opinions - but did you happen to notice the note on the posting page:
Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. Now you may say that you did not attack anyone posting here, but you may as well have attacked me and any of the other posters who KNOW THE FAMILY AND NATALEE and find your statements reprehensible....
5,073 posted on 06/30/2005 8:33:01 PM PDT by dixiechick2
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To: Dark Skies

He looks like he's thinking about what Daddy told him. No body, no crime. That's one smug young punk.


5,074 posted on 06/30/2005 11:20:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: WLR
So if a girl is given a date rape drug and ends up raped or even dead, you wouldn't care to know about it because she was drugged up and deserved it.

And if the suspects in a girl's disappearance, who could have put the drug in her drink, later say she was drunk and drugged up and they left her alone on a beach, after making up and admitting a lie about her prior to their new story, you would not care to know about it because you would take the word of the suspects and assume the girl was just as they described.

And if the suspected boys came from well-off families, you would not attack them for that or assume their guilt, but if the missing girl came from a well-off family, you would attack her and her family for being well-off, and you would assume the worst about all of them, and would not care to know what happened to her.

Have we got that right?


5,075 posted on 07/01/2005 4:51:02 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Bittersweetmd

"My thoughts exactly. Dad looks guilty."

The hotel guards did it, not Joran or his Dad.

I think the Hotel guards killed the girl with the help of the Surinamese.


5,076 posted on 07/01/2005 10:23:44 PM PDT by TAquinas (Benedictus XVI: The Enforcer. The Restorer. The Uniter.)
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To: TAquinas


The hotel guards did it, not Joran or his Dad.

I think the Hotel guards killed the girl with the help of the Surinamese.

WHY? Did I miss something?


5,077 posted on 07/02/2005 5:57:20 PM PDT by Bittersweetmd ((But, for the grace of God there go I .))
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To: brigette
Ruth Berrien McVay, Sean Michael McVea

2005 Mountain Brook High Graduates

Candidates for graduation:

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5,078 posted on 07/02/2005 9:35:34 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Bittersweetmd

"WHY? Did I miss something?"

Don't think so.

Just an honest opinion from a nincompoopish peon.


5,079 posted on 07/02/2005 10:11:22 PM PDT by TAquinas (Benedictus XVI: The Enforcer. The Restorer. The Uniter.)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ...
Did I hear that correctly?

O'Reilly just stated that there has been a confession. Greta coming up on O'Reilly.

5,080 posted on 07/11/2005 5:47:05 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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