Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative
Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts
Aruba Info...
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE
Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)
This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.
I used to, but my heart is hardening for AVDS because I think she knows damn well her husband & son are guilty as sin.
"" Are you saying AVDS interviewing his friends and getting them to change their story? I'm dying here!""
AVDS is a teacher at the school. She told Greta or someone else, sometime last week, that Juran was spilling the beans at school. AVDS then said, she told PVDS what was happening and he innocently *sarcasm* called Juran and told him NOT to say anything. The police heard this call - via a wiretap.
AVDS is behaving like a suspect too, imo. They should have arrested her too. She is sly like a Fox. I take back what I've previously said about her being naive.
I missed some of what was said today on the Abrams report, so I'm not exactly sure what was said about AVDS today. What I'm posting is old information, but fits into the latest news. Those VDS's are in this, up to their eyeballs, imo.
I just got in so I have'nt heard any of this yet.
Aruban justice is a joke.
Of course not! But he dang well knew Joran and the brothers would be questioned eventually. No body, no crime. POS!
Looks that way.
Obstruction of justice here, means charges filed, trial time.
Then you have some reading to do. It will not make you happy. It's very disheartening. I feel so bad for Natalee's family. It's looking like the entire VDS family needs to be arrested. For intensive questioning at the very least.
PVDS and AVDS gave an interview....reported on Fox....think it's the one we already know about. Meaningless. IMO, they're both lying scum.
Howlin wrote: "Joran's father told the 3 boys, "If there is no body, there is no crime."
She's said that about five times now!"
Did she say that this was in the text messages? How does she know that Van Der Sweat told the boys that?
Aruban Marines called in to search, as per Shep.
No, she did not; I have no idea.
Parents convinced of innocense of the suspects in the Natalee case "Joran won't be released any time soon"
29 juni 2005
By Maaike Ruepert
For the first time the parents of Joran ver der Sloot are talking to the press. Their son is suspected of the murder of the 18 year old American Natalee Holloway on Aruba.
They're uneasy. Understandable knowing the attention on the family by the American media. In their eyes Joran, who's already been behind bars for 3 weeks, already found guilty. Last week the police also arrested the dad Paul van der Sloot, judge in training. He also supposedly was involved with the disappearance of Natalee. "This is an absurd situation", the parents say.
Antiva van der Sloot (4 sits with red [?] eyes at the wooden dinner table in their house. She's only been able to visit her son twice since he's been in jail. During the talk she's making notes in her diary. "I keep track of everything. For the best seller I'll write when all of this is over", she says jokingly. "Sometimes I'm cynical to keep myself standing in all this craziness".
Paul (53) sits next to his wife. He answers the questions carefully. A week ago the police came - accompanied by a couple of camera crews - to arrest him. Three days he was kept in a police cell - 'an intense and profound experience' - until the judge decided there was no reason to keep him any longer. According to the justice he had given testimonies that did not match with the fact checks. "But after my arrest they only interviewed me once", says Van der Sloot. "At that time I reconfirmed what I said previously at the police station."
The media assumed that Van Der Sloot was arrested because he encouraged his son not to tell the truth about the night that NH disappeared. "I however told him to tell everything", says Van der Sloot.
Initially Jorans dad didn't know that his son was out on the night of 29th to 30th of May, when Natalee disappeared. "I picked him up at McDonalds at 11 and didn't know better than that he went to sleep." Not until Beth Holloway and several police officers arrived at the gate of his house, did he learn that his son also went to Carlos 'n Charles together with Natalee, he says.
To the police Joran initially told that he and his vriends Satisch and Deepak K, who're also in custody, that they had dropped off the girl at her hotel. Paul van der Sloot: "I believed that, until he changed his statement." All of a sudden Joran stated that he had left the girl alone on the beach at the Marriot hotel - by her request.
After he walked home, several kilometers away. Anite: "I was very angry when I heared that. But I think it was a panic reaction. Maybe he spun the truth - I don't want to call it a lie - because he wanted to get out of this. He has said from the start that he would never do anything to a girl. He respects girls."
Why he then left the girl alone on the beach, the parents don't know. "I really would love to talk to him about the case, but we're not allowed", says Anita. " But I know one thing for sure: that there adults have been involved." [?]
It doesn't look like Joran will be released soon. The police has so little evidence that the only hope is a confession. Joran is being iterrogated daily for several hours. Anita: "Sometimes he's in a dark, col room for hours, where he can only hear sounds. Another time he was surrounded by photos of Natalee. Your dad is also a crimininal, they told him. "Mam, theycall me a murderer, psychopat, rapist, he told me."
But according to Anita and Paul ver der Sloot their son is innocent. Paul hopes to visits his son soon, "I will tell him I love hime. That's what I'll tell him."
What else is new???
I'm gagging. Of course she keeps notes! She has to help her psycho son keep his story straight! No body, no crime PVDS has made sure there is no body to be found, IMO
Apples don't usually fall too far from the tree.
Very good sleuthing. I have only lurked on this thread and haven't posted yet, but there is a angle that hasn't been mentioned (or if it has, I missed it).
First, let me say that Aruba is known for being owned by organized crime. It is close to Colombia and is an excellent place to launder drug money. I have heard the hotels are a front for laundering drug cash. In fact, the whole island has been associated with piracy for hundreds of years.
Secondly, on a small island like Aruba, where everyone knows everyone else and where, possibly, there are certain people that have illegal as well as legal doings...there is one thing the islanders don't talk about. They don't talk about the people who can get them killed. It is the proverbial elephant in the living room, the crazy aunt or alcoholic mother.
Thirdly, if the island is owned in part by organized crime money, it is controlled entirely by that financial interest. If the mob buys a minority interest in your company, they expect to behave and be treated like the majority shareholder.
Fourth (and most interesting of all)...we don't really know that Natalee was taken to the beach. That's what all the kids say...but they have all lied and their motives for lying have been mysterious. What if the motive of all their lies was to hide a truth that, if revealed, would have even greater consequence than the murder of an American touriste. And, if they were also lying about going to the beach. What are they trying to hide. What if the motive for lying is to cover for something and someone else. For example, I am beginning to wonder if Joren and the brothers (or without the brothers) might have taken Nat to a private home for a "rave." This home might have been owned by a friend of Joren's. At raves, ectasy and rohypnol are often present. Either, Nat was drugged and resisted...or OD'd...or got angry because drugs were being done or simply because of Joren's unwanted advances. Whatever, she got angry (which by the way is a side effect of Rohypnol) and someone took care of her. Whatever did happen, she was killed or sold...she was removed so she couldn't name names.
Fifth...the trail ends here. Except that Aruba is an island in the stream of drugs to America and Europe and also in the stream of money returning from the sale of those drugs.
As a resort of Dutch origin (where drugs are either legal or a blind eye is turned), it is the perfect place for a world of drugs to exist. Drug cash owns the hotels, the important real estate, the ports, the police and the lawyers...and the judicial system.
The real owners of Aruba will not be named...if they are somehow involved (if only because Nat died or saw too much at the home of a minion), everyone is going to lie just because that is what is done (if you want to live and you want your family to live).
"Maybe he spun the truth - I don't want to call it a lie - because he wanted to get out of this. He has said from the start that he would never do anything to a girl. He respects girls."
What drivel. I have lost all sympathy for this woman.
From the article you posted--> ""Anita: "Sometimes he's in a dark, col room for hours, where he can only hear sounds. Another time he was surrounded by photos of Natalee. Your dad is also a crimininal, they told him.""
If Anita would admit it, she knows the police are telling the truth when they tell Juran, "Your dad is a criminal". Seems the apple didn't fall far from the tree, as the ole saying goes.
There are just too many BASIC questions that have not been asked by the authorities.
I've wondered the same thing.
What incentive is there to tell the truth without witness protection?
I'm surprised she brought this information out since they always said they couldn't discuss the case. I think she's really pissed because PVDS was turned loose and she wants to stir the pot a little.
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