Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Quilla]

I watched Greta's interview (thank you for posting the text) last night and probably like most of you, my jaw dropped when John implicated the family/father in the fabrication of the story. Shortly thereafter, Greta interviewed the lady from 'Aruba Today' for a balanced perspective. (Yea, right.) I was amazed at her talent for total recall. She immediately remarked that she had heard John's original comments on the matter and claimed he said "the boys" concocted the story. I'd love to see the transcript of John's first telling of his conversation with Deepak because something about the AT lady bugs me.

[Palladin]

Thanks for that review of the Aruban mafia and its members and activities.

I found it interesting where that one fellow says "If I know what the government is going to do tomorrow, I read El Diario today."

We have been noticing that Jossy Mansur says something to Greta one night and VOILA! the next day the govrnment investigators do just that.

I am beginning to lose hope that Natalee will ever be found in such an atmosphere of intrigue, infighting, and corruption.

[Jrabbit]

So, the prosecuters office said this and not a journalist? Did she say they wanted to interview Jug and the ex bf or is that a different report?

[Howlin]

This was that older journalist (with "Aruba Today"), the guy with glasses; a big guy. At least talking about the friends.

But Carol McKinley was reporting on what the government official said about maybe arresting more people.

[stlnative]

and a text message from JvdS to DK at approximately 3:30 am, content not confirmed.

I am pretty sure that the contents of the text message has been confirmed or is known by police - they used this to catch Joran lying again - As Joran claimed he called Deepak to get a ride and I think he claims Deepak came and got him, and police asked Joran why would you send a text message to Deepak, saying I made it home" if he was the one that just drop you off? - Then Joran changed his story that,. oops it wasn't Deepak it was Satish that came a got me and dropped me off. Satish denies picking up Joran. Deepak and Satish are each others alibi's because they cannot prove they were at home, but police probably know that Deepak was at home because the cell records can be traced to which towers picked up the phone calls. One tower near Joran would pick up his call and the signal would be "switched out" to a tower near Deepak.

Now Joran is telling police that he walked home. So Joran is really the only one "still" lying. He keeps lying about how he got home that morning. Why? Is it because his father came and got him or someone else that was involved in killing Natalee with Joran gave him a ride home? Joran is trying like crazy to cover up how he got home that morning

[demkicker]

BTW, I think the "may arrest more people" is just a boilerplate answer that this government is giving out to anybody who asks, as in "Of course, if new evidence, etc., comes out, we will arrest more people if we need to."

It really is laughable, isn't it? Their broken record announcements about "more arrests are possible" are definitely boiler plate.

I kept trying to hang in there and believe the authorities would do the right thing even though they screwed up the beginning of the investigation, but when they let PVDS go, that did it for me.

As for the McKinley report, I actually wondered to myself if they have to ARREST people down there to QUESTION them.

You know, I think you're definitely onto something!

[Krodg]

I just got home from VBS and I don't have time to get totaly caught up (have to help my daughter pack since they're moving this weekend). Would you please tell me what the security guard said?

[presently no screen name]

Thanks. I tried searching but came up w/nothing. How did you find out?

I DON'T know how you.. do what you do, but your excel at it! Thanks, again.

[Peach]

The security guard was interviewed by Greta last night and was a very impressive witness. He heard from the boys, while they were all in jail, that the father helped them cook up their cover story.

Hope your daughters move goes well.

[stlnative]

Nita to answer your email - Yes I have a Tivo like system. I can record things if I set it to record. Or I can replay (rewind) things that I am "currently" watching on TV. I did not watch Dayside today so there is no way to replay it on my Tivo like system.

[Palladin]

That was the Aruban reporter Tito Lecle. (pronounced le-clay).

He is a sleazeball. I can't believe he was allowed to throw out those theories on FOX. He must be working for the Van der Sloots.

[toldyou]

Just a list of theories. One or a few of which we all have.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8376303/

[Jrabbit]

Thanks....I need to pay more attention. And stick to reading one board about the case! Amazing the different takes on things and all the rumors....oh my.

[Krodg]

Thanks Peach. I have time to read one more page before I leave. I'll never get caught up tonight.

Kandy

[auboy]

He keeps lying about how he got home that morning. Why? Is it because his father came and got him or someone else that was involved in killing Natalee with Joran gave him a ride home? Joran is trying like crazy to cover up how he got home that morning

Didn't PvdS say something to the effect of "I hope Juran can stand/hold up"? Stand/hold up to what? Spilling the beans?

[Palladin]

brigette--your recaps of the timeline and accompanying events on this thread are excellent. It helps us to get a hold of the sequence of events and who did what. (Theoretically).

How thorough was the search of the Van der Sloot property? I'm thinking of that guy in Oregon who killed his two 13 year old neighbors a couple of months apart. Both bodies were hidden right on his property, which police searched several times without finding them.

Also, did they search the property of VDS neighbor who ia "away"? The ones with the monkey? These internationalists spend time "away"--back in Holland or wherever--for three or six or nine months at a clip. Perhaps Joran and the father took advantage of the neighbors' absence to hide a body somewhere on their property--even though it is mighty close to home.

[maggief]

Did the text message say 'I made it home' or MJ's version that when he got home he would talk to him on line?

So far the only Aruban I tend to put any faith in is MJ, JMO.

[the Deejay]

Joran is trying like crazy to cover up how he got home that morning

Setting up his alibi, w/the text messages.

Remember when Scott Peterson left a message to Laci, on the home phone machine?

This was done when Scott was on his way home from the bay.

[imaketypos]

As for the McKinley report, I actually wondered to myself if they have to ARREST people down there to QUESTION them

On the same line, I wonder if they do their investigation in sections because they have to have something new for the judge at each new hearing. I think I remember the gov. representative saying that more is needed each court appearance.

[Peach]

I don't think there's a whole lot going on, so you probably won't miss much. As I mentioned a couple of days ago, they are going to let them all go, imo.