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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

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To: Toespi

That was your entire post and my reply. How did I "misquote" you?!


3,981 posted on 06/28/2005 7:16:39 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: TexKat

Steven Croes is now saying he doesn't know any of the three suspects!!

He wins the award for being the biggest liar today!!

I have to say it was very sad to watch Beth & Greta going through Natalee's things in the room.


3,982 posted on 06/28/2005 7:17:19 PM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: Howlin

He is lying.

Greta just proved it.


3,983 posted on 06/28/2005 7:17:20 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: spectre
Steve Croes says he doesn't know ANY of the three boys. He made up an alibi for three guys he doesn't know, according to him. Says he just wanted to be a nice guy.

The only thing Greta can come up with regarding this new statement of Croes is that he was out for the reward money.

3,984 posted on 06/28/2005 7:17:26 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Toespi

... This is a post of yours, in its entirety;

As an after thought, I would like to add. Since my ancestors fought in the American Revolution, I am far more qualified for freedom in America than others.


2,045 posted on 06/23/2005 10:48:27 AM MDT by Toespi http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts?page=2045#2045



3,985 posted on 06/28/2005 7:17:30 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: kcvl

Damn....it hurts me to listen to her. Seeing Natalees typical teen-age girl things is so painful. Special prayers for her and the family and friends tonight.


3,986 posted on 06/28/2005 7:18:09 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: TexKat

Did you catch the reporter saying "they ran out of extra suspects" (it cracked me up)


3,987 posted on 06/28/2005 7:18:28 PM PDT by stlnative (please do feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: Toespi

I don't know what I am doing that is upsetting you so much.

I never said that you were in Aruba. Where did that come from?!


3,988 posted on 06/28/2005 7:18:34 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

I missed that..........can you give me the Cliff Notes?


3,989 posted on 06/28/2005 7:18:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Toespi
if you choose to quote me do it in it's entirety, not what fits your purpose.

It does not work that way. You have no editorial oversight of your comments once you post them on Free Republic.

3,990 posted on 06/28/2005 7:19:19 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: kcvl

He said last night that he doesn't even care anymore about the boys....he just wants Natalee. Bless him...


3,991 posted on 06/28/2005 7:19:49 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: WestCoastGal
He wins the award for being the biggest liar today!!

But, he needed to get to the airport. lol! Greta questioning him and him squirming makes me wonder how hard the "officials" questioned him when he was in jail!!!

3,992 posted on 06/28/2005 7:20:35 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that Croes didn't know either of the 3. Unbelieveable.


3,993 posted on 06/28/2005 7:20:37 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: brigette
Did you catch the reporter saying "they ran out of extra suspects" (it cracked me up)

It was only yesterday that Jossy Mansur and I believe Mariaine Croes stating that there would be more arrest.

3,994 posted on 06/28/2005 7:21:41 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: spectre

I almost choked on it. Unreal, isn't it? What the blank is going on in Aruba????


3,995 posted on 06/28/2005 7:21:47 PM PDT by Pepper777
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To: kcvl

"Without any help from the government officials there isn't much else they can do on their own."

The suspects are in jail, there have been FBI, Aruban police, residents of the island, Coast Guard and private search organizations combing the island, it has gotten non-stop coverage, and world-wide press attention. The Aruban PM and Dutch government have been interviewed. How can you make this statement kcvl?


3,996 posted on 06/28/2005 7:21:58 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

I don't think Jug "wants it all". He just wants his step-daughter back.

You say, "Until I knew all the facts regarding my son's involvement, I would be furious with the accusations being made against my family, and so would everyone else if the situation were reversed, betcha even Jug would be a little fired up." I don't totally disagree with you.

Having said that, I would know all the facts regarding my son's involvement. I've got three boys - 21, 17 & 16 - and you can bet your ass if they were out with a young woman who turned up missing the next day I would know all the facts. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR COMMENTS. Why should a group of people (posse in your words) have to come to a house in Aruba to find out what's going on? Surely you would agree with me that if we were in that situation we would have already contacted the police and shown up for interviews (with our attorney).

Had we not done that we should expect to be confronted at the worst possible time...and in this case it happened to be at 3:00 in the morning (with LE present).


3,997 posted on 06/28/2005 7:22:13 PM PDT by BamaBlue
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To: Howlin

Greta asked Croes if he knew Deepak. He said no. He didn't know ANY OF THEM. She asked him if he just made up the alibi for STRANGERS. He said YES. He was just trying to be a NICE PERSON and HELP PEOPLE.


3,998 posted on 06/28/2005 7:22:23 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Toespi
But I do know that the tactics used that morning by Jug and friends did not advance their cause. During the interview, I found Jug Twitty to be petty and self-absorbed which was my observation and opinion and frankly, I am ususally right.

More proof that you don't know what you're talking about, but please don't take that as 'a personal attack'. First of all, the Twitty's didn't do anything to hurt 'their cause'. If it weren't for them going to the VDS's house when they arrived in Aruba, the VDSs would have likely slipped through all legal scrutiny regarding Natalee.

Undoubtedly, you don't know that the Aruban authorities didn't even bother interviewing or investigating who Natalee was last seen with until the Twitty's got to Aruba and exposed their inept 'non-investigation'. Thankfully, the media picked up the story and only because of world-wide exposure did the Arubans start attempting to appear as though they were trying to find out what happened to Natalee. Do you comprende', Toespi?

It was Natalee's friends & chaperones who reported to police who Natalee was last seen with, identifying Joran. The police and the Twitty's had been told they witnessed her leave with Joran & the Kalpoes. But the authorities didn't even bother to collaborate and follow up to verify that information! Do you comprende', Toespi?

Once Natalee was reported missing, everyone expected the authorities to follow up and bring in the people who were last seen with her for questioning, but NOOOOOOO. The Dutch good ole boy system proved to be alive and well in Aruba. Nothing happened until Beth and Jug got to Aruba early the next morning and decided to go ask questions themselves. Sure enough, Joran was out again on a school night and it was 3:00 a.m. Do you comprende', Toespi?

PVDS made a phone call and Joran said he was at a casino. When the Twittys and friends went there to talk with him, he wasn't there. Finally, when the Twittys got to speak with Joran, his father kept interrupting, got rude and condesending and told the Twittys, "You are not in the U.S." while repeatedly telling Joran to shut up and not say anything in response to the Twitty's questions. Such a nice guy, huh, Toespi? Parents arrive frantic to ask questions of the last person their missing daughter was seen with and the dad is being an asshole, ordering his son not to say anything or give any information! Do you comprende', Toespi?

In closing, I'll say that your flippant statement regarding the Twittys makes my blood boil. Obviously you haven't kept up with this story or you wouldn't make such an insensitive remark. Must be nice to sit in your velvet chair and criticize the Twittys without knowing all of the facts. I have repeatedly watched Jug Twitty's interview, and the last words I'd use to describe him would be petty and self-absorbed. I do have empathy and compassion for the family having to endure the worst possible nightmare while in a foreign country. It has to be pure torture watching one of the most inept 'investigations' in modern history take place while feeling helpless and wanting justice. Hopefully, they'll be spared reading remarks like yours.

3,999 posted on 06/28/2005 7:23:35 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: cajungirl

They came out, they were told Nat was missing, they were asked where she was, then they got into telling the son not to answer, being unhelpful and rude. Making excuses for this isn't washing. You see this is not some bad neighborhood in the Bronx. This is Aruba, The sloots knew the cops, they knew who these people were.

Who is 'they'? I thought only PVDS was at home & he was asleep.

Before 'they' came out, they had had a reaction to the disturbance outside. People don't get awakened from sleep at 3 a.m. & think to themselves, 'I don't have any feelings one way or the other about the noise outside.' Emotions don't go into suspended mode like that.

Do you have a transcript of who said what to whom & how they said it?

Of course PVDS knew the police--after he got outside. With the reported shining of spotlights into the house, how much can a person see of what is going on outside, in the dark? He also probably has an opinion of those particular police officers based on historical information. Maybe he thinks they're good cops; maybe he knows them to be otherwise. We don't know.

Your point about it not being a bad neighborhood is partly the point. In a rough & tumble neighborhood, what went down wouldn't be quite so unusual as it was happening in a good neighborhood or, more on the order of stuff to be expected.

4,000 posted on 06/28/2005 7:26:10 PM PDT by elli1
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