Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[demkicker]

You're merely annoyed because I have pointed out that there are other possible explanations for some of the behaviors of the principles in this story other than the ones that have been sworn into evidence on this thread.

Wrong again. I'm annoyed with people who can't use deductive reasoning after reading ALL of the information on this thread. Either you haven't read everything, or you're defense atty or wanna be who is fantasizing about defending the VDS's.

[Canadian Outrage]

Hi Bunny slippers. HI = Holiday Inn.

[Canadian Outrage]

I think the lighthouse story was to extend the timeline also.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

John the feeling is mutual, I would have fired for affect on that POS so hard&fast that he would have been hollering, "ya'll quit." NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Roger that with a big 10-4. NSNR

[BunnySlippers]

That's what I guessed. Hey, anyone notice that Ashley Banfield is back? She's doing Court TV!

[the Deejay]

Ashley Banfield has been there awhile.

Works behind the scenes mainly.

Fills in for anchors, when needed.

[elli1]

Does anyone have a factual answer?

Posted several times & apparently unread by many--Mrs. VDS is an art teacher at the International School. PVDS is or was an Aruban gov't employee. Dual incomes/ probably doing OK but not wealthy unless they have inherited money & I've read nothing one way or the other about that.

[BunnySlippers]

Figures. I never watch CTV ... just checking in for Aruba news.

[LongViewSC]

The item I struggle with is how was Natalle's body disposed of in a couple of hours. It appears to me that the gang (the four arrested) probably planned a gang rape and that they had a fall back plan for murder / body disposal / cover story. Highly unlikely one young suspect would have been able kill Natalle and dispose of her body in a couple of hours without having a plan and help. It makes me sick to think they may walk, but that appears to be what the Arubans plan.

[Pepper777]

"OTOH, I have yet to hear how gracious it was for Paul Van Der Sloot to invite Beth and Greta into their home for a 90 minute talk."

I'll give PVDS credit for inviting Greta and Beth into his house this past week. However, that fact doesn't change his behavior when he told his son to say nothing. Also, he had cameras in his face. Was he going to say NO and have it on tape for all to see?

Let's face it. It's highly unlikely for Natalee to have come in contact with another person after being with Juran. By their own admission, they were with her until at least 2AM. I'd say it's almost slime to none that another person got Natalee.

Having said that, I guess anything is possible, but who had the motive, or opportunity??? Juran and the other two lied. We're now hearing the father of Juran may have invented the whole LYING story. Why??? My guess is those kids haven't cracked due to the days and days of PVDS telling them to SAY NOTHING. Due to lunacy, he had at least 9 days to program Juran and the two brothers, into silence.

I know most here don't think Natalee was sold, but it too is possible. That would account for Juran and the other two, plus the Dad keeping their mouth shut. If they sold her and told the authoriites to whom, they might find their throats slit like the other guy. Which reminds me. Who killed him and why???

Sadly at this point, the only hope that Natalee is alive, is if she were sold and taken off the island, imo. I'm still hoping and praying for the miracle of Natalee being found alive and well.

[Pepper777]

Excellent post, NSNR~~!!!!!!! I agree with you 1000%!!

[kcvl]

"Why is the finger being pointed at Joran? Because he's the son of a judge?" she asked.

No, because your little "saint" was the last person to see Natalee and lied about it! BTW, your husband isn't a judge according to Aruban authorities.

[demkicker]

Am I in a time warp that continually repeats the same cr@p, or what? Many of us are bone tired of repeating ourselves answering the same redundant posts. If you want to keep up, you need to study up.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Malachi, we can lead some horses to water, but we can't make think. Have a great evening, NSNR

[Canadian Outrage]

Yes that's a good point. If some of these excusers ever experienced the hell and frustration that the Twitty family and Holloway family are experiencing now, they might think very differently.

God Almighty gives us discernment and I know when I watched those interviews Mr. Van der Sloot was so uncomfortable it was almost painful to watch. He had no sorrow, no shame, just plain discomfort with the situation. He couldn't get it over fast enough. He was treading water just wanting it to be over and not wanting to say ANYTHING. He didn't even look at Beth or Greta when they were speaking to him, instead his flitty wife just kept jabbering nonsense.

[elli1]

I went even further & said that if a group (somewhere between 8 & 11 of them) of horn-honking, yelling foreigners were outside my door at 3 am, demanding to see my 17 year old son, they would have been met by Old Bess.

You fail to recognize that the people inside the house have NO idea who is outside or what the hell they want. Somehow the idea that a PO is with them makes it 'OK'. To some. The person inside doesn't necessarily know A. That a police officer is there; B. If the person in a uniform is a real police officer; C. If the PO is arresting the people making the disturbance. All you know is that there is an adversarial situation in your front yard and that it is happening right now. And that is not a situation where a Welcome mat gets rolled out.

To understand this, you can't look at it with 20/20 hindsight. You have to try to see it as it was happening.

[TexKat]

Assmotion

Checkout Ruben Trapenberg, Government Spokesman in this slideshow at Assmotion.com yall!!

[Canadian Outrage]

Yes I did notice she's back.

[kcvl]

I would say that to a vigilante stepfather and his five friends from Alabama and two policemen from Aruba who have probably been tipped pretty handsomely who decided to take matters into their own hands.

Well, you can say what you have to say to a friend of Natalee's aunt. That would be me. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.