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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: WestCoastGal

"The Octopus is a trimaran (like a catamaran, but with three hulls) owned and operated by Jethro Gesterkamp. Jethro was born in Holland, but his family moved to Aruba when he was a baby. He takes excellent care of the boat, and provides one of the best times on the island. Jethro is one of the best sailors on the island (Captain Anthony from the Tranquilo is the other). He operates strictly under sail power, and the only engine he has is on his dinghy, the “Squid”. For crew he has Jeff, an Aruban who has worked with him for many years, and a girl from Holland who only works the morning cruises. They never overcrowd the boat. They leave from the Pelican pier between the Holiday Inn and Playa Linda."

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/trip-reports/2003/carol/

3,501 posted on 06/28/2005 11:48:29 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: johnb838

Well that's some burden you bear. If you want to accept responsibility for everything bad that happens, good luck. You'll need it.


3,502 posted on 06/28/2005 11:48:43 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify


I am not ganging up on you. I am merely dismissing the sex slave scenario.


3,503 posted on 06/28/2005 11:50:39 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: spectre

I think the GHGB overdose is high on my list of possibilities. Girls die all the time from that, and especially someone like NH who may not have been used to having anything more than a couple of beers in her system from what everybody says, and they may not be lying.

Aruba, jamaica, ooo I wanna rape'ya
witha rufee colada... blah blah blah blah blah blah


3,504 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:01 AM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)
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To: johnb838

john, you dreamed that authorities should look at the grandmother. In the Kalpoe's mother's interview she refered to her boys visiting their grandmother and saying remember Mama, we have 2 mothers.


3,505 posted on 06/28/2005 11:51:55 AM PDT by kcat
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Teen's Mother 'Devastated' by Aruba Suspect's Release

By PETER PRENGAMAN, AP ORANJESTAD, Aruba (June 28) - Natalee Holloway's mother said Tuesday she was devastated by the release of an Aruba judicial official in the case of her missing daughter because she was convinced he was hiding information.

Aruban police released Paul van der Sloot on Sunday after a judge ruled there was insufficient cause to continue holding him. He was arrested Thursday in the disappearance of the 18-year-old Alabama honors student, reportedly last seen on a beach during the early hours of May 30.

''That was a huge blow to us,'' Beth Holloway Twitty told ABC's ''Good Morning America.'' ''We were devastated.''

Van der Sloot's 17-year-old son, Joran, is one of three young men still in custody.

Meanwhile, Anita van der Sloot, the wife of Paul and mother of Joran, told The Associated Press that the only reason investigators were focusing on her family was because they had ''lost control'' of their case.

''This is an absurdity,'' Anita van der Sloot told the AP. ''What is behind all this? Why are investigators not on other tracks? Is there nothing else there?''

Holloway Twitty said she was convinced Paul van der Sloot knew something after she and others tracked him down soon after Natalee Holloway disappeared while celebrating her graduation from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala.

''I have never sat across from an individual in a well-ventilated room and seen a man sweat so profusely and only increasing in intensity as the 90 minutes (of interviewing) went on,'' she told ''Good Morning America.''

''And to where it would drip on the table and his wife would have to get up and get a kitchen towel and wipe him and wipe the table ... I have never seen anything like that.''

She told CNN's ''American Morning'' that she believes Paul van der Sloot ''knows the answers.''

''I want him to tell the truth,'' she said. ''He knows exactly what happened. He knows what, where, when, who, why and how.''

Anita van der Sloot said she was surprised by Holloway Twitty's comments.

''I can't understand these things,'' she told the AP. ''For her, Joran is guilty and that's it. What can I say to a woman who is desperate to find her daughter?''

She also said authorities were focusing on her son and husband because they, too, were desperate.

''Investigators have lost control (of the case) and don't know what to do anymore,'' she told the AP.

Holloway Twitty told ABC she sleeps every night in her daughter's night shirt in the room where she was staying at the Holiday Inn.

''I have a light on that I have had on since May 30,'' she said. ''And I'm not turning it off until I can get Natalee.''

With hopes fading that fruitless searches may produce a body, volunteers from Texas EquuSearch started a fourth day of work on the Dutch Caribbean island.

On Sunday, the judge also ordered police to free a party boat disc jockey held for nearly a week. His connection to the case was unclear, though the boat on which he worked - the Tattoo - docked near the Holiday Inn.

The other two people detained in the case are brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18. No one has been charged in the case.

AP-NY-06-28-05 1154EDT

3,506 posted on 06/28/2005 11:52:57 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: onyx

Good. It was not MY scenario. As I said, it has been discussed at length on these threads and it is silly.


3,508 posted on 06/28/2005 11:55:16 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: eartotheground

Not far from the natural bridge as I recall. About 8 years ago I rented a Suzuki and drove around most of the island.


3,509 posted on 06/28/2005 11:56:22 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: devane617
I'm surprised the Aruban authorities have not kicked the media out already.

If this wasn't such a hot issue w/us, they would have done just that weeks ago.

3,510 posted on 06/28/2005 11:56:40 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Burpinflyz
I was at Riehl World, reading comments by island hopper about that.

"Susanlynn the Octopus-Aruba disappeared with crew, the website is down. All unannounced on June 18, 2005. We wonder why? It weems to coincide with the date that Jossy Mansur claims that Natalee was seen on her way to Venezuela. "

"Jossy has STRONG financial ties onthe island and is rumored to have a hand in the prostitution and underground gaming that occurs. PVDS was a pretend Judge that DID hear cases and probably helped his friend Jossy that he had gambling debts too."

Posted by: Island Hopper | June 28, 2005 11:33 AM

3,511 posted on 06/28/2005 11:57:44 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Burpinflyz
More,

"I have to wonder about the Octopus because it was in business in front of the holiday Inn for 18 years."

Posted by: Island Hopper | June 28, 2005 11:38 AM

"I checked with some divers last night and none have heard from jethro. No word at all. He seems to have literally disappeared after 18 years, boat and all. Strange for a known diver."

Posted by: Island Hopper | June 28, 2005 11:40 AM

3,512 posted on 06/28/2005 11:59:11 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Trust but Verify
Thank you for being the conscience of this thread. When you get finished here there are some things that I did earlier in my life that I wonder if I've felt guilty enough about.
3,513 posted on 06/28/2005 12:00:48 PM PDT by Malichi
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To: Trust but Verify
Thank you for being the conscience of this thread. When you get finished here there are some things that I did earlier in my life that I wonder if I've felt guilty enough about.
3,514 posted on 06/28/2005 12:00:55 PM PDT by Malichi
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To: Lizarde


The God son connection answers so many questions, doesn't it? Absolutely horrifying and incestuous.


3,515 posted on 06/28/2005 12:01:13 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: eartotheground

Blog or no blog, I think that's what probably happened.


3,516 posted on 06/28/2005 12:01:24 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: onyx
No, they didn't "specifically" name the security guards. The authorities fingered them.

I'm pretending that Joran told his buddies to lie for him BECAUSE even the act of deserting her on the beach could have contributed to her abduction. Joran, was after all the responsible party.

I can think of a few reasons why he could have walked away from her, reasons that he wouldn't tell anyone about.

So when he changed his story and told the truth...no one believed him.

Far fetched? Sure it is..but not impossible.

sw

3,517 posted on 06/28/2005 12:02:06 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Malichi

Worth repeating ;-)


3,518 posted on 06/28/2005 12:02:30 PM PDT by Malichi
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To: spectre


I know they were fingered and not named by their respective names...lol... but that God son business has me reeling today. No wonder J was briefly questioned and released.


3,519 posted on 06/28/2005 12:04:25 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Malichi

ROTFLOL!!!!


3,520 posted on 06/28/2005 12:04:56 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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